..on the Gray Stallion from adoption

[Leesa]

Was Argo gathered from the Kiger or the Riddle Mountain Herd group?
Leesa

[Leesa]

So sorry. Didn't mean to send the same post twice. Didn't see the multiple pages for this topic until I sent the 2nd post. Bear with my learning curve here.
Leesa

[stlkigers]

Ahhh, don't worry....We are a bunch of easygoing people over here....Not crazy/anal like some boards/lists are....Geesh, I'm on another horse training list and GOSH FORBID you don't trim your posts and respond UNDERNEATH the original post cause "it's just good net etiquette"......

Angela

[DianneC]

Argo was gathered from Riddle. Hopefully Skybar will come on and we'll get to see how he's doing. It would be interesting to compare DNA and see if Cisco is out of him.

[Leesa]

If not then I'll try and contact Skybar via their webb site. They may not have been able to pull hairs yet to do a DNA sample but if and when they do I would like to see if it is Cisco's sire. Would be very interesting to know.

[waterbearer]

Hi Leesa,
I was wondering if you had any luck finding anything out? Argo's blog hasn't been updated in months. I'd love to know what's going on with him, and if he's the sire or related to your beautiful Cisco.
Thanks!
Alyssa

[fantasykiger]

I would be very curious myself to know if he indeed was your stallions sire.

I am as well, curious to know how Argo is doing, I checked the blog, but have not seen any update. I was so hoping to see him without a halter and lead rope soon.

[Leesa]

Unfortunitly I have not had a response back from Argo's new owners. I even emailed them privately asking if they intended to do a DNA test on him because if they are I would be interested in working with them on it. It would be a long shot that Argo is Cisco's sire but being the color he is, the fact that he was not only from the same herd as Cisco's dam, but out there for so many years, I just can't help but hope he is his sire. I know it sounds crazy but it would be well worth my efforts to find out for sure. The idea of possibly finding Cisco's sire, in another part of the country, after all these years and through this group is fascinating and intriguing to me. It would also confirm something that I suspect about Dulcinea, Cisco's dam. While she is a sooty dun she seems to throw foals that pick up the sires color. Cisco is a dappled/graying dun and Argo is gray. Her current filly is bay (no white except a few little hairs on her forehead) and the sire is bay with no white.

[lindad]

There is a new entry on Argo's blog site explaining Kara's lapse in posting. I have been smitten by Argo and had been concerned that there were no new enteries. Argo and Kara are well, but she has and overflowing plate.
Kara,
What is Palatec? My Kiger stallion Bolero, rubs his neck and developed bumps which I attributed to knats and our state bird the mosquito. However, the discussion about neck thread worms, has me wondering and I plan to do the double dose worming with Equimax to see if that is the problem. Ideally biopsy a bump to confirm neck thread worms but that is not feasible with Argo. I never heard of neck thread worms until it was discussed here and neither have my Michigan horse friends. It may be an out west parasite that we do not typically see here in the East. You may also want to explore that possiblity.

Also, FYI, I put my 12 hh Mule in with my stallion recently and they were eating out of the same pile of hay within 5 minutes. They continue to eat from the same pile even though multipul piles were provided. Jerry actually stole some hay hanging from Bolero's mouth! Bo and Jerry have very easy going temperments and had months to know each other in adjoining lots. Still I was worried and waited until recently because hormonal breeding drive would be lower. There was not one bite or any aggression. The mule gave gentle kicks as Bo herded him around declaring his manhood, and Bo would just lift his head to avoid the half hearted blow. Bolero is disappointed that Jerry isn't a mare, but he has a friend.

Linda D

[skybar]

Been a hectic summer, thanks for everyone's concern about Argo's Blog. I will endeavor to keep up on it since winter is coming.

Linda,

Pala-Tech is actually called Equine FA/Plus Granules. Mystic's owner, Karen has used it for years, through her, we put one of my boarders horses' on it a few years ago, as he was having problems with gnats as well. From what I have seen on Argo it is the same thing I have seen on my boarder and on Mystic. You should be able to get it through your vet. The main ingredients to it are as follows: Flaxseed Oil 6,000mg vitamin A 4,500 iu Vitamin E 30 iu and Choline 60mg

Michelle, Just FYI, I can eliminate any vaccinne issues as the problem, as Argo has never been vaccinated.

I'm glad your mule is working out with Bo. As for my 8 year old stud, I'm not quite willing to risk a vet bill. I am fairly certain if a fight were to insue, that with all of Argo's experience he would be the one to win. If Flash were not also a stallion, I would not be nearly as concerned. My broodmare comes off summer pasture next week, so she will be the one to test the waters with Argo and be a buddy for the next month or so.

Lessa, I am sorry, I never recieved your email, maybe it went to my spam folder. I never check that. My apologies.

As far as DNA testing, I have never had any intentions of testing Argo, and at this time it would not be possible.

Kara

[dazzlingduns]

Linda,
Karen Clark informed me about Pala-Tech a year ago. A few of my Kigers were having issues with gnats and other biting insects. The Pala- Tech granules given just before, and throughout the warm weather season helped to aleviate the symptoms of irritation due to hypersentivity from gnats and other biting insects. No more welps, itching, or rubbing the mane and tail out! Give it a try. I am sure you will be satisfied.
Melissa

[Michelle Clarke]

Kara....Argo was vaccinated when they gathered the herd. They all get them!

I think it is interesting because they obviously do not rub out their hair in the wild, so it has to get narrowed down to only a few things: environment, feed or vaccinations.

[skybar]

Michelle,
I will have to disagree with you here. I specifically asked the people at Burns if Argo had been vaccinated or if he would be vaccinated prior to shipping. Their answer was no he had not been, nor would he be. If you would like further proof, I would be more than happy to scan in his health papers, where it clearly states as much. He did have blood pulled for a coggins for shipment. Nothing else.

As far as the skin irritation, it is enviromental from the gnats. I have seen this before as have others who have used the Pala-Tech. It is the gnats and that alone.

Kara

[kimk]

Kara,
I for one would be very interested in seeing his BLM health records! I have never adopted a wild one ( and I have adopted several ) that they did not vaccinate upon gather. It is done as part of their processing ie: freezebranding etc. I'm wondering how he would slip thru those cracks. Surely not because of his age.... I have a mare who was adopted in 2003 at 23 years of age and they vaccinated her.
I'm just very curious and interested in this...
I also wonder why you wouldn't have any intention of DNA testing him? Is it just because you cannot yet get hair pulled? I had my mare done.... she is a matriarch in the Kigers and has quite a history. I think she deserves to have her DNA on file for comparison reasons even though I do not expect to get any foals from her. Who knows how many babies she had out there in the wild?
Kim

[fantasykiger]

skybar...I am so sorry to read in your blog about your other boy and his hock injury, we are going into almost a year now with my daughter's 1/2 Kiger mare who had hock surgery back in Feb. of this year. In Dec. Cleo' will have another set of X-rays to see if the the repairs done and supplements provide are indeed improving her situation.

I guess I am just real impatient..LOL. I would have thought Argo' would have been gentled by now. You indeed are a very patient person.