Andalusian / Lusitano beginings

[Michelle Clarke]

As Jillian commented on the other thread, the Kigers have nothing on the Andalusian/Lusitano folks as far as disagreeing on history, breed standards and the difference (or not!) in the PRE, PSL, PSP, SP, P etc etc etc.

First, a brief explaination of the letters:

SP - (Spanish) a horse of "pure" spanish blood

P - (Portuguese) a horse of "pure" portuguese blood

PRE - (Pure Raza de Espanol) this is an Andalusian (which BTW, they are not called ANDALUSIANS in Spain) of "pure" blood from Spain that has been revised by the CRIA and included in the Spanish Stud Book in Spain

PSL - (Pure Sange Lusitano) this is a Lusitano of "pure" Portuguese blood that has been revised and included in the Portuguese Stud Book in Portugal.

PSP - (Portuguese/Spanish) this is the American version of "they are all the same horse" and cross the SPs'/ Ps'/PREs/PSLs' and call it the ANDALUSIAN. This horse is usually only registerable in the USA, as it does not exist as a breed elsewhere.

If you thought you were confused with the Kiger issues, just wait...more later!

[kigerfan]

I wondered what a PRE Stallion was, thanks for the clarification, I think
I've already heard a few say there are three different types of Kigers so I can see three different qualification sets. I'd hate to see a whole list of different qualification sets.

[fantasykiger]

OH Thank You Michelle ...so much, I was so very curious to why all Andalusians here in the US do NOT look the same and what was PRE and now I know what I am looking for when I say I want to breed Fantasy to a Andalusian one day, it's actually a PRE I should be looking for.

[DianneC]

How recently did the Portugese or Spanish separate their stud book? I know they were one until recent past. To be PRE both parents have to have their paperwork done, if something is missing, like a stud report, then the foal can only be registered PSP, is that correct?

[Michelle Clarke]

Dianne, wish I could give you a correct answer....1912, 1950's, 1967 - all of these dates are thrown into the mix! I do know that there are lines of both Spanish and Lusitano lines that are very old and "pure". I know the Veiga line has had no new blood for over 135 years. The Bocado line is very old and "pure" too. I say pure loosely for many reasons, mainly because there is crossover of spanish and portuguese lines as they were the same horse per se. There are also a few Spanish breeders that have stayed true to Portuguese standards.

Spains' horses were influenced by whomever was invading them at the time, so "pure" is a word that is kind of hard to use. There are so many theories and half truths that it is hard to even follow. There is also so many books from experts on the subject that I have not gotten through all of them to even begin to make sense!

I even know of certain Lusitanos that have a Friesian in their background...

[DianneC]

I will probably breed to an Andalusian at some time in the future, most likely Meloso AS, at Bravata Andalusians or Axis or Confidente at Spanish Gate. Great personality is an absolute must.

[nrly]

wow I to am thinking of this breed and also the paso fino to cross breed with.
nola

[fantasykiger]

DianneC you are in Washington ..what have you heard about Novelisto D a PRE stallion ? or have you heard of him before? www.novelisto.com/novelisto.html

[kigerfan]

I found a couple of lusitanos I was interested in breeding to but I backed off on that and decided my very best option after years of looking and comparing and such, is that Firefly will be bred to Bravo. From everything I have been told about him and the pictures I have seen of him. I believe he is the best choice for her as far as mind, conformation and color.

[zephyrcreek]

[quote author=kigerfan board=history thread=1199456675 post=1199927160Firefly will be bred to Bravo. From everything I have been told about him and the pictures I have seen of him. I believe he is the best choice for her as far as mind, conformation and color. [/quote]

I have to "grin", this will be a popular combination of genes this year. I have a full sister to Bravo and will be breeding her to Firefly's brother (1/2 brother?) this summer. I think Zuni and Bolero will be a great match!

;D

[DianneC]

Hoorah! Great news Ellen! I can't wait to see Zuni with a foal of her own. You sure picked a handsome guy. I've always liked Bolero.
Bravo is an amazing boy. My friend rode him down to road and stopped to talk to a neighbor who has a stallion. His stallion was throwing fits 12 feet away and Bravo just ignored him. If Bravo gets into trouble he actually hangs his head and then comes over to make up. Part teddy bear I guess. If all stallions were like him stallions would have a lot better reputations. That's the joy of Kigers.

[kigerfan]

Bolero is Firefly's full brother, same Dam same Sire I think a year apart. I can't wait to see the foal!

[kigerfan]

I thought this fellow was gorgeous and he and another were some considerations for breeding also but in the end I decided I wanted to stay all Kiger.

[fantasykiger]

While I play with the idea of breeding Fantasy to an Andalusion. There are several deciding factors one of them being how well Wickee does this year under saddle training. If she proves to be very impressive then I see no reason to go outside the Kiger Mustang breed for my next foal. But whether or not I breed Fantasy again to a Kiger Mustag will depend alot on the horse market and the advancement of Kiger Mustang registries to get there poo' in a group as well. As for now I am not planning any real breedings just thinking of what ifs'.

[kigerfan]

the fellow above is a lusitano and the other lusitano I was looking at was Lavrador, he has already been bred to a kiger mare by Yancy Farms. His addy is: www.vintageiberia.com/lavrador/
The picture of the Yancy Farms foal is on the second page of foals.
I just found an add where someone is advertising a 'Dun' Appy Stallion up for stud. www.equinenow.com/dun.htm .. the fourth horse down. I wonder what color characteristics are not acceptable in appys