grullagirl
Weanling
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Post by grullagirl on Nov 14, 2011 22:56:04 GMT -5
Were you going to get Stormy tested to see if she was inbred to Riddle? UC Davis i think mainly does the color studies, while A&M is more looking into DNA typing. I believe Dr.Cothran resides at A&M so i would contact him for info on DNA testing for Kigers.
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Post by DianneC on Nov 15, 2011 13:23:47 GMT -5
The KMA uses UC Davis, it would be nice to keep most of the dna in one place so we can reference it. I think they can do parentage but not relatedness.
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Post by gotkiger on Nov 15, 2011 16:55:02 GMT -5
i wonder if enough of us had the dna and parentage done if it could be compared and since we have such a small breed if there could be a study done to find the genetic links between relatives like they do with people
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grullagirl
Weanling
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Post by grullagirl on Nov 15, 2011 21:30:16 GMT -5
Thats could be very well possible. Unfortunately not a lot of equine geneticists are really dedicated to the rare breeds. I only know of Dr.Cothran and Dr.Sponenberg who have dedicated a majority of their work to studying some aspect of rare horse breeds. By the way has anyone thought of making a section in the KOBA for horses that are not kiger but are of approved breeding type. I thought this might be a good idea to allow for some outcrosses if the need ever arises. What do you guys think?
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Post by DianneC on Nov 15, 2011 23:53:55 GMT -5
I doubt we'll need outcrosses for genetic diversity but if we did I think it would likely be something that had a long history of proven capability like one of the Iberian breeds. But the idea of having a dna database is a great idea. The KMA has one with UC Davis for the KMA horses.
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dunbnwild
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Post by dunbnwild on Nov 16, 2011 11:00:08 GMT -5
I don't think outcrossing is necessary, either- I think a better defense against small gene pool is intelligent captive breeding programs and encouraging the BLM to leave more than the minimum horses for genetic diversity out on the HMA's. While the Kiger does have a certain type- the breed is more than a type or a color, etc... A big part of what makes a Kiger a Kiger is it's history of being linked to the original herds.
But I would like to see a page or section that highlights the part-Kigers and what those crosses look like and can do.
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Post by gotkiger on Nov 16, 2011 13:15:16 GMT -5
ditto.
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Post by nrly on Nov 16, 2011 17:16:49 GMT -5
what i wanted to know is their strong point, and weak point, if one gene was stronger, or what ever. Am trying to learn all I can about genetics.I worry about maybe having issues that other breeds have had, Like HYPP, that sluffing problem that rose in quarter horse breed.
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Post by Michelle Clarke on Nov 16, 2011 18:42:14 GMT -5
Nola...you can't test for specific traits really. You only want to test for any diseases that are known in the breed, which there are none in the Kigers to date.
That is why breeding is such a hard thing to do. You have a lot to learn by experience and the knowledge of other people. I am constantly changing my mares and being careful about stallions because when it comes down to it, many health issues and behavior/training problems come from genetics. I am even culling mares now that are producing fillies that have female cycle issues and act crabby or are physically uncomfortable and may have issues down the road.
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grullagirl
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Post by grullagirl on Nov 17, 2011 1:14:47 GMT -5
I think the great thing about the kiger breed is that so far no none health problems that are genetic related have come up. The technology for testing for health problems genetic wise if pretty new and not the most reliable since it's only been in use for the last 10 or so years. If there were any problems residing in the kiger i think it would take many decades of using one family tree for it to pop up. For example the HERDA and HYPP gene have been in use for more than 40 years and were only discovered in the late '90's. One mistake those breeding associations made was not disclosing the stallions and their family tree that were responsible for spreading the gene. Thanks for all the feed back on the outcrosses. The idea just came to mind since the AQHA and other associations have such massive inbreeding problems, although i highly doubt it would ever come to that with the Kigers.
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Post by Michelle Clarke on Nov 17, 2011 7:24:50 GMT -5
The only thing I know of in the Kiger breed is the tendency toward COPD in some parts of the country. I have only personally seen two Kigers with it, a mare and her seven year old son. Some say it is genetic, some say it is environment. My thought is if they have a predisposition to it then the "right" environment can bring it up. Personally, I would not breed any horse that came up with it.
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Post by nrly on Nov 17, 2011 16:22:36 GMT -5
what I have learned from reading is allot of issues can be do to inline breeding to get a better horse. and that is what I want to avoid. but also i wanted to know the color gene, and what is more dominant..
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Post by gotkiger on Nov 17, 2011 17:48:38 GMT -5
color testing is easy. pull hairs and send them in. the horse will either be black or red with out without agouti which makes a black horse bay but does not effect a red horse. on top[ of that you can have any number of modifiers. dun, cream, roan, pearl, champeign, paint/pinto... every modifier out there.
As far as i can tell both stormy and riddle would be bay based with dun. they could carry red but that you would have to have seen with other foals or test for it
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Post by DianneC on Nov 17, 2011 20:23:20 GMT -5
I color tested a couple of my horses early on, mostly Chinook as I was puzzled by his color and some thought he could be smokey black. If you do it then go to dungenes.org and learn some basic information.
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Post by Michelle Clarke on Nov 17, 2011 21:03:10 GMT -5
What you'll be able to find out about your two guys is if they carry the red gene (both have to have it in order to have a red based horse) and then if they are homozygous for the agouti (that makes a black horse bay) which will tell you if you'll ever get a grullo out of either of them.
So the only tests you'll need are the red (ee) and the agouti (aa); don't waste you money on testing for any other color as they clearly are not grey, creme, etc.
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