Registry Comparison

[karismakigers]

diannec said:

Speaking of brown, this year there were several Kigers that were brown. I don't remember seeing any of those in the previous adoption.

In the 2003 Adoption of Kigers:

4917 Bay Mare Riddle, 4923 Bay Mare Riddle, 4698 Black Filly Kiger, 4794 Bay Stallion Kiger, 4705 listed as Grulla Filly Kiger (very dark, nearly seal brown/black), 4833 Chestnut Filly Riddle, 4837 Chestnut Stallion Riddle, 4843 Black Stallion Riddle, 4686 Bay Mare Kiger, 4802 Black Stallion Kiger, 4868 Black Stallion Riddle, 4881 Bay Stallion Riddle, 4710 Brown Stallion Kiger, 4711 Bay Stallion Kiger, 4892 Bay Mare Riddle, 4939 Bay Mare Riddle, 4859 Bay Stallion Riddle, 4873 Bay Stallion Riddle, 4719 Bay Stallion Kiger,

Jillian

[karismakigers]

I was just thinking about your post and remembering there was a gather that removed all the horses from Smyth Creek because there were Kigers on East Kiger. The reason that they were removed was that they were non-Kigers and could get over to the East Kiger area. It was early on in Kiger history, late 1970s as I recall. I'm thinking that Ron would not have put a bunch of solid horses on a Kiger range. It wouldn't make sense since he was selecting for dun factored horses. So the horses put on Smyth Creek in 1978 would have been removed for that reason when it was made a Kiger HMA, or shortly thereafter.

I have posted the history timeline under Kigers in the Wild category. It is unfinished but I have many things to do today and sunlight is getting sparse, so I'll try to catch up with this discussion tonight.

The documents talk about the conversion of the "kiger" HMAs to all Spanish Mustang types, this fully didn't occur until 1993. The start of the conversion was in 1979, but there was not a completely clean slate in the HMAs as once believed. Some horses were retained due to their conformation, color, personality or other characteristics. Some got stuck because there were no way to gather affordably and/or no place to put the removed horses.

Jillian

[J]

I keep hoping the registries will come together as does most. I am with one registry, simply because he came with those papers so I did submit the transfer.

I, like many others, looked into cross registering. Mostly because there is so much controversy I figured, the more he was associated with the better? He is pure with no found blood.

I was refused by one of them.

The other required DNA. I thought, no problem...he is registered so surely they have the DNA on file. Most regsteries require the foal to trace back appropriately and thus DNA is done at the time of registry. But, not in that one apparantly. Since he was registered as a gelding they did not do a DNA....and at this point, since he is gelding...I am not real interested in paying for a DNA report.

So, we stick with the one we started with.

[karismakigers]

luvettes said:

The other required DNA. I thought, no problem...he is registered so surely they have the DNA on file. Most regsteries require the foal to trace back appropriately and thus DNA is done at the time of registry. But, not in that one apparantly. Since he was registered as a gelding they did not do a DNA....and at this point, since he is gelding...I am not real interested in paying for a DNA report.

So, we stick with the one we started with.

Hi J,

Your avatar has a pretty head.

DNA can be a sticking point. There are those that want DNA on everything registered and there are the others that would like to see it on only breeding stock. I think most of the registries that implement DNA testing for registration just want to be able to state that the bloodlines stated on the registration paper are true and accurate.

There was a time that KMA required it only on breeding stock. Once the mare or stallion had an offspring present for registration, the DNA had to be on file for the parents. But it was a heartache & headache if the person whom owned the offspring (but didn't own the parents) couldn't find the missing parent to try to get DNA from it. The missing parent either died or had been sold or just plain lost track of....so the poor person with a 3 year old offspring suddenly couldn't get DNA samples from the parents of their horse.

Jillian

[J]

Hi Jillian,

I do think it makes sense to DNA them. I come from the Arabian relm and whether or not they are intact, they still must prove parentage.

I may go forth later and do it, but at this point since he has no get and the line ends with him, it has not been top priority for me.....just to get another set of papers.

[sonrisa98]

you have to DNA the QH to register them also. Its all for bloodlines. Guess too many ppl were saying that this horses sire was so and so and it really wasn't ( or dam). That happens in every kind of animal registry. I've been out of the registering animals, whether they were horses, dogs, sheep, cattle for awhile now and I know things have changed. I know personally I wouldn't lie about my horses lines, but do I know the person I bought them from told me the truth? Who knows unless its DNA, right?

[desperatehorsewife]

So would the dna testing be done even on wild caught, where the brand is proof of where they were born? Or just on domestic bred?

[lindad]

If you want to trace your domestic back to the HMA then the wild caught needs to be DNA tested so that their offspring can be traced back to them, as they are the foundation of that line. Might be something to check on before you buy a horse or breed a horse if pedigree matters to you.
Documenting blood lines can be useful for future research if genetic problems crop up etc., or a superior bloodline emerges. Obviously it is less important in geldings and non-beeding stock.
Linda D

[desperatehorsewife]

LOL...a well duh moment

[J]

So, if/when I decided to DNA my gelding...where does one obtain a DNA kit?

[fantasykiger]

www.vgl.ucdavis.edu/services/horse.php this is where you send a hair sample I believe for the DNA test. Just click on which test you want, it will give you details as to what they need from you.

[J]

Thanks..I have saved that link.

[nrly]

well am back on line whew took several days we are moved and now I can post. I too saved the link, thank you Tiffany.
nola

[ctxkiger]

I AM NEW TO THE KIGER BREED AND HONESTLY WAS SHOCKED TO SEE ALL THE DIFFERENT REGISTRIES. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT MEMBERS GO OFF AND START A NEW REGISTRY WHEN EVER THEY HAVE A DISAGREEMENT. THIS TYPE OF ACTIVITY, IN MY OPINION, IS GOING TO RUIN ANY CHANCES OF PERMANENTLY ESTABLISHING THIS AS A BREED. IT SEEMS A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT TO MANIPULATE (CHANGE) THE RULES TO BENEFIT THEMSELVES AND THEIR FRIENDS.
FOR SOMEONE SUCH AS MYSELF WHO IS NEW TO THE KIGER HORSE IT IS VERY DISCOURAGING. I HAVE SPOKEN WITH OTHER KIGER OWNERS PRIOR TO JOINING THIS FORUM AND FOUND THAT THE REGISTRIES HAVE/WERE PLAGUED WITH IN FIGHTING.
FROM VIEWING ALL THE DIFFERENT WEBSITES IT APPEARS THAT THE KMA IS THE REGISTRY OF CHOICE (ALTHOUGH THEY ARE SHORT IN COMMUNICATION). THEY SEEM TO HAVE THE MOST PROFESSIONAL SITE AND ARE SET UP FOR EVENTS TO PROMOTE THE KIGER. IT IS ALSO MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY WERE THE FIRST TO MAKE EFFORTS TO BENEFIT THE KIGER (EXCLUDING THE BLM'S EFFORTS).

[dara]

I also have a question about ALL the registries. Ok, my little filly is , i guess concidered 3/4 kiger? Dam is 1/2 , sire if full. So i am confused on which registres i can put her in and do i only register her as 1/2. Someone had told me that on one reg. she would be concidered full kiger ?? is this true??