Changes in the AKHR

[nrly]

no linda I did not take it that way at all. I know how you feel. i am reading and trying to understand and i do not think I or anyone ever will. as you said to much deceit on who knows how many other things. I just hope it works out for all parties involved.

[spanishsagegrullas]

While I do not want to launch this board into the never-ending battle regarding found horses, I also cannot sit by and let misinformation remain as if it were fact. Although Linda’s statement of
“Mistrust and division has been the most potent legacy to come from the found horse issue. I certainly do not want to foster any more of that!”

some of what she posted does foster that.

Regarding these statements by Linda D, they are not correct.

” The original Kiger registry, the largest Kiger registry is the KMA who has the found horses registered without even designating those horses as such.”

It is known as fact that horses from other HMAs were purposefully placed into the Kiger and Riddle HMAs, for various reasons. These horses were considered the same type as the initial horses selected to be placed into the HMAs. Some would consider these horses “found” horses, and thus the “breed” can never be rid of “found blood.”

BLM also found other horses, sometimes from the same HMAs that the horses that they put into the Kiger and Riddle HMAs as described above, that they themselves termed “Kiger-like” and offered them to the public, including members of KMA. These Kiger-like horses were accepted into KMA as Kigers.

These horses were initially identified with their registration number, followed by an “F” which I would guess meant “found.” I do not know what their HMA was designated as, or whether the studbook even designated the HMAs at the time, or whether those horses always had the F designation from the very start. I do know that sometime prior to ten years ago, those horses were later changed from an “F” designation (so the F designation was given to them sometime prior to 1998) to a “P” designation, and the HMA that they came off of was and still is listed in the KMA studbook. One only needs to look at the studbook to find out all the information about bloodlines.

Linda D also stated: “It just shouldn't be done covertly. Without up front information about the foundations of your bloodlines how can one make informed breeding choices to meet their breeding goals.”

At KMA meetings in the initial stages of the formation of the registry and the make up of the horses in the HMAs, there were discussions with Ron Harding present and actively participating, where they discussed the inclusion horses from herds outside of Oregon, specifically mentioning the Sulphur Herd in Utah.

I think it unfair, and inaccurate, to ascribe sneaky motives to a scenario that most people do not have all the facts about, anyway.


Diane P
Spanish Sage Ranch

[Michelle Clarke]

Diane, thanks for your input. and you are right, we don't have all the information and what is presented is often either slanted or otherwise twisted to fit whatever topic is getting the most attention anyway.

Is there a way for anyone to buy a stud book? or do you have to go throught the membership thing? Most breed registries they are for anyone to have and they don't have to be a member.

Anyway, I think the jist here is we need to move forward and leave those behind who want to dwell in the past.

[spanishsagegrullas]

That I don't know off the top of my head. You can email [e-mail] and ask for an answer.

There was thought of putting the Stud Book on line, but also for a fee. The concern of a few people is that the studbook also has ownership information in it, and some people see that as private information.

I know that most breed registries will not give out ownership information. I tracked down a wonderful Dutch Warmblood mare that I knew when she was two that way, by just asking the NAKWPN to let the current owner know I was interested in how she was doing and knew the horse as a two year old. I provided my contact info and said they could give it to the owner, who DID contact me, to my delight.

JMHO but there are a lot of things that KMA can change or amend to make things a bit more user friendly, but it probably is a matter of which is given priority. I don't know whether providing a Stud Book version which does not include ownership information is one of them.

Diane P.

[nrly]

man oh man what a mess and a tangle web it seems. i will keep reading and watching. thanks for all the information.
nola

[Michelle Clarke]

I know many breeds that hand out membership books and it has ALL the information in it, including phone numbers if the person wants it. These books are not only given to all members, but I have seen them handed out at shows and promotions. I guess if you don't want your info out there you can request not to be listed or just your name. I belive on the IALHA website, the info is right there when looking for owners and breeders for all to view.

I can understand not wanting address info given out, but why would one hide ownership, or did I mistake that?

[nrly]

From these stud books we can determine allot , why not let them be available to us. i am not out to get anyone just educate myself.

[lindad]

Diane P,
Thank you for your input and your tact. I am happy to be corrected, especially by people who are closer to the facts than us bystanders. All I want is to understand the history and how it effects us all, so that we can work to bring us all into a working relationship. I apologize, if I misspoke, or am misinformed. The horses that the BLM added to the HMAs were not what I was referring to, but I did not make that clear.

Michelle,
I apologize to you also and other readers. This is such a pleasant board and I do not want to contaminate it with this mess either, and I did just that. It is hard to focus forward without referring to the past. Maybe that is the lesson in this for me.

Linda D

[J]

I don't know about other registries, but the Arabian registry has their datasource online. You do have to pay. 9.95 for 1 days use, 24.95 for 31 days use or 85 for 365 days use.

It's been so long since I have logged into it, I can't remember if they show the full address or not.

In the old days, you had to write the registry and provide a stamped envelope and they would forward your letter without providing the other person's address.

[Michelle Clarke]

Linda, your post posed no problems. Sometimes bringing stuff up is neccessary so those that are closer to the issue hopefully will clarify, which did happen in this case. There are alot of misunderstandings out there based on how skewed and one-sided the issues have gotten.

[desperatehorsewife]

Michelle, I just clicked the link you provided in your original post, but it doesn't go to a Kiger registry. Is there a new website for them? Or did they just forget to renew their domain, do you think?

[Michelle Clarke]

Wow, doesn't look good. Hope someone printed out all that info...I am sure it is saved somewhere. Maybe she bought a different domain, but I could not find anything.

[stormyranch]

Here's how horses are listed in the KMA Stud Book

Reg. Number:
Horse Name:
Origin:
Color:
Freeze Brand Number:
Implant Number:
D.O.B
DNA Number:

KMA is trying out the Stud book on-line to it's BOD for a trial period. Then will offer it on-line for a fee to members, and then to the public.


Kevin Sink

[stormyranch]

The KMA studbook also continues on to list dam name and registration number and sire name and registration number Just like a pedigree.
It can be purchased by anyone who is a member of KMA who wants one.
Lisa

[Michelle Clarke]

Thanks Kevin and Lisa for sharing that info on the KMA studbook!