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Post by kimk on Jun 11, 2008 12:12:59 GMT -5
Many people are not aware that canola oil is not a food product and has absolutely no nutritional value whatsoever. ( anybody ever hear of a canola? ) Canola was developed in Canada ( thus the Can ) is petroleum based ( thus the O ) and the La just made it sound complete. It is s petroleum based product, also developed from mustard plants which are toxic. I personally avoid canola oil for myself and my animals.
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Post by Michelle Clarke on Jun 11, 2008 12:20:38 GMT -5
Hey, thanks Kim....vegetable oils are not good for horses, soy is bad as it messes with hormone levels big time (in people also!!).
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Post by DianneC on Jun 11, 2008 18:48:03 GMT -5
So all the touted benefits for people eating soy are false?
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Post by Michelle Clarke on Jun 11, 2008 22:14:47 GMT -5
The problem is soy in this country is so genetically modified that it is not the same as across seas. It affects estrogen levels - like feeding babies soy milk brings on early puberty, girls with periods at 10, etc. My mares have been alot better off since we got rid of feed with soy in it. We even had young weanling showing heat cycles. Now we are back to them not coming into heats until closer to 2 yrs., except the QH cross breds seem to come in around 14 -15 months.
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Post by DianneC on Jun 11, 2008 22:29:07 GMT -5
I don't feed any products with soy in it and mine come in at about 12 months. Must be the cold dark winters LOL. Interesting....
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Post by angelsdream on Jun 12, 2008 8:02:14 GMT -5
Melissa -
I buy southern state's feeds already (legends) Have been wanting to find a different kind of feed that better suits the kigers and my quarter horse - see'ing how they have the same issue of being overweight just with grass (lack of nutrition). After reading about the triple crown feed's, that sounds bout what I'm looking for and it's at the same place I buy my feed already. Just trying to determine which one I need, "lite" or "low starch" My horse's are on grass 24/7 and have plenty of it - I feed them a handful of feed daily, just to give them there supplements. I'm thinking more towards the "lite" and my next question is - I will need to feed them the required amounts of feed in order for them to get all the nutrients they need to help reduce the weight issue instead of just a handful? (and also taking them off the grass some)
Im going to look back on the thread that discusses the nutrition with kiger's. I remember people posting there pudgy kiger's on here - the before and after's - and there was a huge difference, they looked so much better afterwards....still learning all this, so bear with me
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Post by dazzlingduns on Jun 12, 2008 17:03:23 GMT -5
Angel, I choose not feed my horses the required amounts. If I did, my horses would be overweight. I pay close attention to each horse's body condition and feed them accordingly. Some horses are kept in dry lots with shelter during the day and turned out to pasture at night. I do supplement with TOTAL Equine Supplement. www.totalsupplements.com Great stuff!!! It has done wonders for my horses. You might want to try the Triple Crown Lite. Melissa |
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Post by angelsdream on Jun 12, 2008 19:52:09 GMT -5
Thanks Melissa - That's what I was thinking - if I fed them the recommended amount, they sure would be fat. I went and bought a couple of bags of the Lite this evening and am going to give that a try. I was looking at the ingredients compared to what I was feeding, and yes, it is better. 20% fiber verses 12% fiber. That's one good thing. I'll check out the Total equine supplements also.. THanks!!!!!
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Post by angelsdream on Aug 5, 2008 15:48:41 GMT -5
I've been feeding my horse's Triple Crown Lite and the Total Equine Supplements and WOW - what a difference. The vitamins have there coat just shining. The older paso fino in the pasture has been getting it also and it has turned her a little darker and her "freckles" i call them, are really bright now. She's a flea bit grey color and she looks soo good. So far, Im very pleased with the results of the product. I just ordered my 2nd supply of them.
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Post by DianneC on Sept 21, 2008 0:43:29 GMT -5
I've just changed my feeding program to twice a day for local hay as the pasture is really stressed now with no rain (until today) for a couple weeks. I've been using LMF super supplement (vitamins only) but have switched to LMF development and added More Glo (ricebran and flax) for a total of 1 pound each a day. The development has 12% protein and some starch but since its supposed to be fed 3-4lbs a day (way too much) I'm adding Horseguard to get the rest of the vitamins. Sounds like your program is simpler.
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Post by Michelle Clarke on Sept 21, 2008 13:55:02 GMT -5
We have changed agian also...been working with a feed company in formulating a system especially for the spanish type horses. Right now my guys are on a mix of whole oats, crimped oats, barley, BOSS, whole flax and a small amount of stabilzed rice bran. For supps they get Diamond yeast, sea kelp and then a blend of dried herbs depending on what group they are in or for individual needs. Some horses are on digestive enzymes short term to help get the gut working better. I have way given up on everyone getting the same stuff and am working on formulas to be able to provide different age/work load groups of horses with a natural source of vits/mins instead of the synthetic stuff that builds up toxins eventually anyway.
Because of basically no grass out in most pastures anyway (and stressed everywhere else...), I have gone back to making sure everyone gets even a small amount of alfalfa each day - it has so much good stuff in there for them anyway and helps balance my grain rations. I am even looking into dried peas for the high level of chlorophyll in them...
Our horses still eat differently each day depending on if they are in or out, work load, stress load, deworming, etc. That is why I like to keep the feed stuffs seperate so I can feed only the amounts I need.
Right now with weaning the last three foals, the mares are off alfalfa for a few days, no added fat, a small amount of oat/barley with peppermint leaves to assist in drying up plus organic apple cider vinegar to help balance the ph and probis to feed the gut while stressed. The foals are on a little more alfalfa, their usual grain mix/yeast/sea kelp, a stress mix of herbs (for stomach and nerves), probis and immune booster.
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Post by skybar on Sept 22, 2008 5:18:43 GMT -5
I am fairly new to feeding a Kiger Mustang. Argo brought to me a whole lot of concerns for his proper nutrion. I did a good amount of research and talked to a nutritionist about him. Being that he spent 17 years in the wild surviving on native grasses, I had to be careful as to what was introduced to him.
I will have to agree with what Melissa feeds. I also have Argo on the low starch forage. He gets about 8 lbs a day split into 2 feedings. He was at the beginning getting free choice 1st cutting hay, and the low starch forage balances out the hay. I also put him on a daily wormer only because I knew I would not be able to paste worm him, so to encourage him to eat it I add 2 handfuls of omolene 200, he also gets a cup of sunshine plus, 2 oz of loose mineral salt, ( he does not know what to do with the salt block), 2 cups of shredded beet pulp without mollasses and a handful of BOSS. He gets this once a day.
Now that Argo is on pasture , I have started adding just a little of the 2nd cutting hay with the first and the amount of hay he gets has been cut back, but I still give him the 8 lbs of Low Starch Forage.
I have found this has been working for him so far. I have looked into the Triple Crown Lite for him and my feed company has it and if needed I will put him on it, but being that he never had grain, I'm just watching him closely.
Kara
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Post by DianneC on May 17, 2009 14:57:30 GMT -5
Has anyone heard about using Chia seeds? I was talking to a friend in sandy country, although she feeds her horses in the barn. But to prevent sand colic she adds about 1/4 cup chia seeds which acts like psyillum in absorbing water and pushing sand through the intestine. She said that it also gives them a shiny coat.
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Post by kigercat on May 17, 2009 21:16:17 GMT -5
I'm giving Lyric Chia seeds in her slurpy... I was told to soak 1 tbs of seeds in 6 tbs of water and it makes a gel...then 2 tbs of the gel per feeding.
I have a huge bowl soaking in my fridge right now. Bought them in a 1 lb bag at the health food store along with the Arnica and Ruta Greb.
It's supposed to act as an antioxident being fed this way.
Have you googled them? They are a good source of Omega 3 (better than flax) and also good for gluton free diets. But didn't find anything pertaining specifically to horses =)
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Post by J on Jun 4, 2009 23:13:45 GMT -5
Wow, I did not know that about Canola oil. I have used it in the past, but most certainly never will again. Some years ago, I switched to olive oil...I guess it was a good thing.
My horses are fed, 2 cups whole oats, 1 cup BOSS, 1 cup Orchar Pellets (or Alfalfa in winter), Equerry's Choice supplement and I am now trying Omega Horse shine on the itchy horse.
In addition they get as they desire: Dynamite 1:1, 2:1, Izmine and salt.
Local Grass Hay.
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