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Post by DianneC on May 16, 2008 8:42:46 GMT -5
We've had four foals, all born very different colors that shed out light grulla. The first was Cloud 9, born almost white with a strong pink cast. Then Rio, born almost like a dun foal but with a pinkish cast and a tricolored mane and tail - white, dark brown and black. Then Teanna, born white with a silver cast. And last was Blue Skies, born a rather brownish color. I'll post pictures tonight.
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Post by Michelle Clarke on May 16, 2008 9:20:44 GMT -5
Thanks Dianne....this will be a great thread! Does anyone else notice thier grullas have a "pinkish" tone to thier skin??
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Post by kimk on May 16, 2008 13:34:32 GMT -5
Yes, all of mine have been born some shade of dun but with a pinkish cast. Some of my duns have had the same pinkish cast as well. Rocky was the darkest dun foal of mine to shed out grullo. and the silver grullas were very light. I remember from quite a few years ago an article on Kigers where Ron Harding had said the Kiger foals are pink when born.
Dianne, haven't you had some grulla foals that were born grulla as well? I know Tom & Vonni have, and Bettye R.
the rule of thumb is that the foal will shed out darker than its foal coat.
Kim
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Post by fantasykiger on May 16, 2008 14:27:53 GMT -5
The most wild colt I ever saw was at a friend of mines ranch who owned a Dun Paint Stud and had it bred to her vets mare a red dun the foal was born on her ranch a solid grulla, a definate grey with dorsal so wide and bars he looked like a donkey, the stripes on his legs were not faint but very clear, I was shocked. I would love to see what he looks like now. I'm curious if ended up very dark almost black grulla. It actually would have been awesome if he would kept a lighter grulla shade to show of all them stripes.
Her dun Paint stud produced several grulla Paints, though I was not witness to all of them as foals.
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Post by DianneC on May 16, 2008 22:24:37 GMT -5
Sorry, wasn't quite awake this morning. What I was thinking about is how different the color of the light grulla foals has been but they all look pretty similar when grown. Long day today. Pictures tomorrow, OK?
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Post by DianneC on May 17, 2008 10:07:18 GMT -5
OK, now for pictures... Cloud 9 born cream color with a very pink cast. Out of a dark grulla with lots of brown, Kiger Caballo (now gelded and not Tom Moore's stallion) out of the dun Belle Star, owned now by Joan   Notice the interesting markings on her face, Teanna has something similar, and notice the red in her mane  Rio Canyon out of Chinook and Calista, he looked like a regular dun but with a pink cast.   Teannaway Creek out of Chinook and Tia. Born almost white with a silver cast, beige is mostly dirt in this picture  Teanna and Blue last fall  Blue Skies Canyon out of Chinook and Lark He was born quite dark but lightened up a LOT by the next day Day 1  Day 2  Today  |
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Post by kimk on May 17, 2008 11:06:02 GMT -5
Nice pics Dianne. Personally I wouldn't consider any of these horses "light" grulla after having shed out. Obviously not dark like Chinny and Louie, but certainly not light. They appear to be the same shades as Rocky, Kody etc.
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Post by fantasykiger on May 17, 2008 13:45:58 GMT -5
I am impressed and amazed at the variety of foal coats that have a common result in a grulla coloring as an adult. Although there is certianly a ever so slight differance in the shade of grulla. There was obviously a very big differance in foal coat color...very odd.
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Post by DianneC on May 17, 2008 18:01:33 GMT -5
Kim, you're right they aren't the lightest shade of grulla. I tend to think light grulla and dark grulla and tend to leave out the grulla. Its subjective I guess.
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Post by MustangsInNC on May 17, 2008 18:24:34 GMT -5
Wow... I would have guessed dun on most of those foals! Amazing to see the color changes over time.
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Post by nrly on May 18, 2008 1:56:36 GMT -5
wow, what a change from foal to grown, these were very good pictures, and at birth you just never know.
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Post by DianneC on May 18, 2008 10:15:38 GMT -5
If you look at the legs and the mane you can usually get a good idea of the color. Black mane means gulla or dun, not red dun. Silver cast or silver on the legs (look at Blue's pictures for reference) means grulla. The two hardest to figure out were Cloud 9 and Rio. When Cloud was born we didn't know what made a claybank, and she was so light and pink I wondered if she was one. Rio didn't have silver on his legs and had brown in his mane so he was a puzzle. I suspected grulla but wasn't positive until he started to shed out around his eyes.
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Post by stormyranch on May 18, 2008 11:31:38 GMT -5
Lovely was born dun  And she shed out as what I call Chocloate Grulla  I would never thought she was going to be grulla when she was born. Diane, Do you think Dolce could be grulla?  She does have sliver legs and her base coat is black. |
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Post by Michelle Clarke on May 18, 2008 13:23:55 GMT -5
What about dorsals on grullo foals? Looking through my picts, all of my grullos' have had black dorsals as foals. I know that some duns can have red dorsals and black points....if a foal is born with a red dorsal, would this be indicative of a dun? Sages' colt this year has a red dorsal, but it is black underneath...Hijas' filly has a red dorsal but does not appear to be dark under it.
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Post by kimk on May 18, 2008 14:27:51 GMT -5
Michelle,
In my experiences with grulla foals, one of the telltale signs that a dun looking foal will shed out grulla IS the dorsal. All the grulla foals I've seen that were born dun looking had BLACK dorsals. Many of my dun foals have had the silver legs but the dorsals were dark brown not black. My new little guy Ace ( dun ) falls into this category. Another thing is my grulla foals do not have a "mealy muzzle" like the dun foals can. Like Dianne, I have had many variations on the shade of the grullas foal coats. I'll send you some pics so maybe you can post them for me.
Kim
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