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Post by MustangsInNC on Apr 11, 2011 21:56:55 GMT -5
Personally, I love the bonding and training experience working with a wild one. Not saying anything bad about breeders, and gosh, there are some great ones here on this forum! But I want my freezebranded filly to raise and play with... Just personal preference on this one. Will I buy from a breeder? Yes! Definately! But this filly is going to be special to me. If they hold off the gather till next year, then I guess I'll plan it for next year's vacation.  |
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Post by pepper on Apr 11, 2011 22:28:15 GMT -5
I understand your wanting to adopt..esp if it means you're giving a good home to a horse that will otherwise spend much of it's life in government holding pens or worse may end up on a truck bound for Mexico.There are kigers that don't get adopted .After a scarey "gathering"..run for miles & trapped..it doesn't end well for all the mustangs,even our precious kigers can be in danger because we want a chance to "bond"....I'm sorry.It's not you but this entire government run "management" of mustangs is really a mess & I just watched a video of a holding pen full of mustangs up to their bellies in mud...makes me so sad..
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Post by stlkigers on Apr 11, 2011 23:31:15 GMT -5
Dianne:
Let us know if you make it to the meeting and how it goes....I like your idea! I wonder if lots of Kiger people would be ok with it....kind of goes back to managing the horses via gate cuts....So you would remove whatever group you brought in to help population be at a sustainable level? That would not return the best horses to the range as was the prior management's take under Ron Harding (rest his soul!)....
As for adopting vs. purchasing......It seems like there are fewer and fewer people breeding and I have to bluntly say the politics of the Kiger breeders(ala hatfield vs. mccoy) would really deter me from buying from all but a handful of people.....and some of those people aren't breeding any more!
Angela
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Post by DianneC on Apr 13, 2011 22:39:37 GMT -5
Got an email from Ramona that this will be a giving information only meeting, not one where suggestions are discussed. Saves me a couple of days without pay...and she did give me the people to contact to make the suggestion.
I know what you mean Pepper. I remember that great black stallion last gather that had done something awful to his fetlock and they ended up having to put him down. What a waste. Yes, they do need to be gathered and some will be injured, that one may have happened in the corrals from the black kicking at something. But it doesn't have to be so traumatic with the helicopter running them in, sometimes over rough ground and the babies not being able to nurse for hours. Oregon does a pretty good job, not as good as when Ron and Lloyd were there, but light years ahead of Nevada especially. I don't know all the details of low stress gathers. But it sure would be interesting to learn.
So Angela, there are lots of possibilities for gathering, not saying it has to be one way or another, even with low stress techniques. And once they are caught they don't have to be kept. I was thinking of that stunning grulla colt with the very thin dam. She had weaned him in late October at about four months and he was so sad. Not good. I was wishing I could put them in the back of the truck. Hope they make it. But that's what I was thinking of, to be able to gather select group(s) and take out some, the herd needs to be culled for quality and they can't afford it the way they are doing it. Yes, there would still be someone making a decision on what to take and what to leave but that's not any different than now and maybe they'd be a good horse person like Ron was. He spent a lot of time out there looking at the horses.
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Post by fantasykiger on Apr 14, 2011 12:22:33 GMT -5
I figure your saving a horse either way ..if they are going to round them up anyway and offer them for adoption or they are for sale on classifieds, I applaude anyone that can provide them a home I wish I was in a position to do more. Maybe one day, still hopeful. ;D
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Post by pepper on Apr 14, 2011 23:26:34 GMT -5
Many of my horses over the years have been rescues and both Amigo & Ali(my arab) fall in that catagory.I'm sure Amigos breeders thought he was going to a good home..but the fellow was a first time horse owner..ended up afraid of him and when family issues arouse,put him up for sale ASAP for$500 bucks.He was boarded at a fancy barn in LA where no one knew or cared what he was..I was the only one who came to see him & I bought him on the spot.The guy was happy to see him go & had no idea what to do with him..just wanted him gone.
The arab had been up for sale for 5 months with no offers & a bad reputation for injurying the only 2 people who ever got on him(with NO training!??) Owner's husband had given the ultimatum..get RID of him.I brought him home & we've had 11 yrs & thousands of miles doing endurance together.
Dianne,your idea of a safer & more horse-friendly gather is a hopeful one.As it is now I just can't agree with capturing mustangs when the market in general is awful and we can't promise the horses a better life than what they face in the wild.
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Post by Michelle Clarke on Apr 15, 2011 7:28:54 GMT -5
Pepper..I can't agree with you more in regards to domestic horses having better lives. Being that my husband is a "problem horse" trainer, I get to see all kinds of things. Up in Chicago, mostly they were spoiled and confused when it came to the horse/human relationship. The worst thing up there is that most horses are not allowed to be outside and especially not with other horses.
Since moving to Texas - it has been a whole new ball game. Up in Chicago, Eric was considered tough on horses...here he is considered the gentle cowboy. We see many horses started at 18 months old; backyard breeding where the 1, 2 or even 3 year old is still nursing and even breeding it's mother. I can't tell you how many times we have to go pick up a 2 yr. old stud colt and wind up running him and his dam in the trailer, get them home, wean them and take the mare back. Most times people just don't know any better but sometimes it is folks that have been around horses all their lives. Ridiculous.
We have a lot of vets recommend us to clients that need help. Two days ago we picked up a mare, her yearling stud colt (still nursing but "I don't think she has milk anymore...") and her two year old stud colt. All living together in a small pen, wild as march hares. We had to build a chute and run them in. They tried to sell the older colt a few days ago, but he came down on the trailer and sliced himself open between his front legs all the way up his neck. You can see his breast bone (he literally is cut in half) and he has a 2 foot flap of skin hanging. Heres' what the guy wants: Ride the mare to see if she is safe for the grandkinds but bring her back tomorrow; halter break the boys in two days so his wife can doctor the older one while he works in Oklahoma mon-fri. She knows nothing about horses. Seriously??
Well, I have the older colt to where I can halter him and spray his chest to heal and keep flies off (I'm afraid they are going to lay eggs in there...). Eric was made as a hornet when he saddled that mare and she bucked like a bronc, flayed around like she was getting eaten and threw herself on the ground. Poor thing - boobies full of milk, rebred (hmmm...wonder how that happened) and probably has not been ridden in many many years. Then Eric was upset because the little colt tried to climb up the side of the stall when he went in to work with him. Eric is always disgusted at how the poor horses have to pay the price for people stupidity. I hate to get involved because now the older colt nickers at me when he sees me, comes right up and halters himself and even though I know it hurts, lets me spray and flush his wound. I am emotionally vested now. It is going to break my heart to send him back to those idiots.
Sorry for the rant...sometimes I hate the horse business.
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Post by fantasykiger on Apr 15, 2011 9:46:25 GMT -5
I hear ya' there Michelle...I bow my head in prayer for those horses. I sure wouldn't be adverse to leaving the Mustang in the wild. Allow nature and survival of the fittest to take it's course. Given time the wild Kiger Mustang may possibly make some of it's own changes on the range. I would like to hope they would be left alone. I was deeply saddened by the 6 pregnant mares shot in the Ochocco herd here locally, someones target shooting or attempt to cull the herd of thier own accord. Anyway I don't know that there is a right or wrong answer, there is a whole lot of gray area, horses will suffer either way.
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Post by MustangsInNC on Apr 18, 2011 21:22:56 GMT -5
Anyone hear the decision today?
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Post by angelsdream on Apr 25, 2011 10:29:39 GMT -5
Any news?  |
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Post by stormyranch on May 4, 2011 21:59:31 GMT -5
I just got word that the Kiger adoption is ON! It will be November 4-5, 2011 so be sure to book your rooms and airline tickets early!
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Post by Michelle Clarke on May 4, 2011 22:22:23 GMT -5
Oh sure...I just bought a new mare and may be getting another (unplanned) one!!!!
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Post by sbutter on May 4, 2011 22:47:40 GMT -5
Yayyyyy!!!! I am excited Ok Michelle....you can't just say that without a follow up. Unless you like to hold us in suspense.... |
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Post by angelsdream on May 5, 2011 8:16:22 GMT -5
Great news!!! I GUESS..I sure dont need another horse so not sure if that's good news or not cause the I WANT will kick in when Im there....haha!
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Post by toni on May 16, 2011 11:13:19 GMT -5
Was wanting to fine out if anyone that is going to the Kiger adoption might be returning via I-10 or close by, with a horse trailer. I really want to adopt a Kiger. However I do not have a trailer. I would be willing to help with the cost of transport & even pay for your stay over in EL Paso. We have a wonderful horse farm who cater to travelers & their horses with over night accommodations for the horses. If you have a trailer with a living area you can stay on the farm. I will be flying up however can ride with you back to assist in any way I can. The horse Farm is Johnny Bean horse Farm. Very easy access from I-10. Please let me know.
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