dunbnwild
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Wild horses can drag me away :-)
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Post by dunbnwild on Jun 27, 2011 7:40:57 GMT -5
Be sure to go see Buck - it's a documentary of Buck Brannaman and probably won't be in theaters very long- so find it now and go see it. It's really good! movies.yahoo.com/movie/1810208717/info |
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Post by Michelle Clarke on Jun 27, 2011 9:46:13 GMT -5
Wanted to see it this weekend but did not make it...glad you liked it; hope I get to it this week!
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Post by stormyranch on Jun 27, 2011 9:52:31 GMT -5
I saw it last weekend. It was real good.
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Post by fantasykiger on Jun 27, 2011 14:57:14 GMT -5
I will have to wait for the Fall DVD release. I am glad you guys liked it, do you have a favorite moment in the movie you can share?
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Post by stormyranch on Jun 27, 2011 19:26:12 GMT -5
My favorite part was when Buck said, "when you tap a horse with a flag, it's like beating yourself with a sock"!
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Post by mystickiger on Jun 27, 2011 22:45:00 GMT -5
Haven't found a theater showing the movie around here yet but hopefully soon. I would really like to see it. I found his interview on the Late Show interesting. David Letterman was unusually subdued during the interview. Haven't really studied Buck in detail so was unaware of his childhood for whatever it's worth. Have a friend that spent several months with Ray Hunt for 3 years. He would call me daily from there to the point I actually got to know some of the others in the program with him. Interestingly, lots of feedback about all the "gurus" (this is my wording, not his) that came to visit Ray. Peter, Pat and Buck showed up during the same time to visit Ray and Carolyn while he was there. Tension was high according to several. Anyway, per my friend, Buck was his least respected due to his harsh standoffishness ( is that a word? Hahaha). During the Late Night interview I guess I could see where he is very opinionated but quiet and how everyone could have their own interpretation of his personality. So..stormyranch, how do you interpret the favorite phrase you quoted from the movie? Just curious, as I can see several interpretations. Welcome to horsemanship 101! My first thought is a subtle but pointed reference to Pat and Peter. Your thoughts? One thing I know for sure from that visit is that Buck is a Pittsburgh Steeler fan. No matter what, he can't be that bad!  |
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Post by stormyranch on Jun 27, 2011 23:57:45 GMT -5
Karen,
The way I interpret the phrase, "tapping a horse with a flag is like beating yourself with a sock".
This documentary was made for the Non-horse owner, in my opinion. Therefore the phrase I refereed to above is a great example for those people who don't know horse flesh and think that when we spank our horse we are beating them. It just made me laugh and sticks in my head.
I did not learn anything in this movie except that Buck worked on the move "Horse Whisper" with Robert Redford. I guess you could say I was a little disappointed.
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Post by mystickiger on Jun 28, 2011 0:12:48 GMT -5
See, there I go over thinking things again, LOL. Having not seen the movie your interpetation makes sense. Just goes to prove how context is everything!
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Post by angelsdream on Jun 28, 2011 8:12:10 GMT -5
I want to see it but it's only showing in Atlanta, which is 2 hours away..  |
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dunbnwild
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Post by dunbnwild on Jun 28, 2011 11:28:00 GMT -5
The slap with a sock comment was made during a clinic where the person was affraid to touch her horse with the flag and the horse was ignorning her. He was letting her know that it wasn't going to hurt the horse. It's a documentary- not a horse training instructional. I thought it was an interesting look into the life of a clinician - good and bad, and an interesting look into the life of one man. I'm not sure what's not to respect about him- he's not a clinician out to sell you a bunch of training videos and tack and rolling around in a giant RV spending more time during a clinic talking about how great he is, like some of the other "gurus". And in the documentary they talk about his shyness and how he had to overcome it in order to give the clinic- and he talks about how someone who has been abused tries to blend in to the scenery and not be noticed. That said- he seemed friendly enough at the clinics and I don't think that was acting. But I can see where some people prefer a gregarious salesman, which is what a lot of the big clinicians have unfortunately become.  |
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Post by stormyranch on Jun 28, 2011 11:48:41 GMT -5
Yes, the story of the man and his history was very good.
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Post by Michelle Clarke on Jun 28, 2011 13:26:15 GMT -5
I have not ridden with Buck for several reasons...mostly because when I suggested a very good client of ours take the opportunity to ride with him - he just slammed her the whole clinic. Said she needed a real horse - had a wonderful Lusitano she bought from us that she just adored. Said she needed real saddle - had the Portuguese schooling saddle. I thought it was uncalled for. Recently I was teaching a new student that had been to a clinic with Buck. I was showing her the backup with having the horses head up instead of down and she said Buck told them at the clinic that this was the best way to back up a horse but he never showed anyone because he thought they were too stupid to get the concept.
So...with that said, I do really respect what he has done and though he crass behavior is off putting at times - he does get his point across in many other instances. Sometimes people need a hard slap of reality in order to make a change. Also I think as we get older in life, we realize we get more like our parents - even though we fight against it; so with his background, he most likely has a lot to fight as he ages.
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dunbnwild
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Wild horses can drag me away :-)
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Post by dunbnwild on Jun 28, 2011 14:48:07 GMT -5
I hope he didn't really say those exact words and that perhaps she interpretted them more harshly than they were intended. I can see where, if her saddle was causing her somehow to have trouble, suggesting a change- but get a real horse? That's just not called for at all.
I did notice that his humor might've come off wrong in some cases. Like when the people took a long time to bring the aggressive stallion in and he joked that they couldn't even catch him in the trailer. It was funny and kind of true, but if it was you, I can see where it might not have been a ha ha moment. However- if you have that much trouble with a horse that you can't even get it out of the trailer safely, maybe you need more than a 3-day colt starting clinic??
Another case of his humor not going over so well--I didn't like that Buck said something to the fact that folks who want a stallion might as well get grizzly bears or something like that. I felt it was really generalizing and not at all true, but I also think for many of the people he ends up working with, the statement is probably a valid one. So, yeah- if I was at a clinic with my lovely stallion and he said that, it would irk me a lot. But did the lady in the documentary need to be told that, yes. And actually he didn't seem harsh enough with her. (and for those who've seen it- I can't believe the guy who was working with the aggressive stallion turned his back on it, multiple times- what an idiot).
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Post by DianneC on Jun 28, 2011 19:18:09 GMT -5
I have read his books and enjoyed them a lot. Chinook was started by a friend of his, Greg Eliel, and I rode Smoke in Greg's weekly class for a while. I don't know if the two men are similar in their comments, but Greg said a couple things that were true enough to take me aback at first, then appreciated his candor. He said I liked to sneak a ride. When I asked him what that meant he said that I liked to get on Smoke and ride him around, hoping that he wouldn't notice me up there.
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Post by rubymountainkigers on Jun 28, 2011 21:01:39 GMT -5
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