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Post by DianneC on Dec 3, 2010 1:04:48 GMT -5
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Post by Michelle Clarke on Dec 3, 2010 7:54:09 GMT -5
Very pretty and I would't kick her out of my barn for eating oats, but I an thinking "no" on being a Kiger. Not much to go on conformation wise, but looking at the head, the eyes are more triangular and the way they are placed is a little different. Maybe the forehead does not look as broad.
Ears don't appear too hooked, which many people claim to be a spanish thing, which was inherited from the arab part of the breeding way back when. Iberian ears are actually roof top shaped. The bottom lip is larger, which I have not seen on too many Kigers either...plus the sternum on the foal is sticking out further than the shoulders it seems but it could be the angle.
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Post by stormyranch on Dec 3, 2010 8:54:11 GMT -5
Well, I keep looking at the foal, wishing I could see more of her. I am going way out there and saying Missouri Fox trotter!
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Post by grullagirl on Dec 3, 2010 9:12:36 GMT -5
I'm gonna have to go ahead and guess that the mare and foal are QHs. To me the mares face and the parts of her body that are visible in the pic resemble and old foundatio type QH. These two really resemble the QH lines from Poco Bueno and Jessie James. I do think if it was just the mare in the pic I would have a harder time guessing, the foal did for me since it just resemble a QH foal in looks anyways.
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Post by Jackie on Dec 3, 2010 11:21:59 GMT -5
I don't know what they are, but they sure are pretty.
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Post by barbhorses on Dec 3, 2010 12:52:44 GMT -5
I will guess Spanish Mustangs. Look like they may have come from Jolie Alongi's breeding program in Oklahoma.
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Post by sbutter on Dec 3, 2010 15:22:21 GMT -5
They really do have interesting faces. It's not something I have really seen before. You kind of expect the head to end at a certain point, but it goes just a little farther. I also really like the soft/ intelligent expression in the face. Its something that I love to look at. I don't think kiger though, since I haven't seen a head like that before.
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Post by rubymountainkigers on Dec 3, 2010 15:45:17 GMT -5
My guess is Foundation Quarter Horse. Perhaps out of the old Steel Dust line.
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Post by rubymountainkigers on Dec 3, 2010 18:28:53 GMT -5
The more I look at them the more I think they could be Aztecas.
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Post by DianneC on Dec 3, 2010 23:44:42 GMT -5
This is a Dulmen pony from Germany! They only get to be about 12.2 hands. One site says that the original pony was crossed with Polish Konik ponies. But these seem much lighter bodied than the Konik, who remind me of Icelandics. I do see a resemblance to the Kiger head, especially the eyes. True, most Kigers have a little shorter head, but some are long like this too. One of my fillies, Cloud 9, was just this color. Here's a picture from a few years ago. I was struck by the similarities the horse looking at the camera and especially the profile of the one below an to the left had to Cedar. Yes, its a tad bit longer, but that perfect wedge shape that I haven't seen anywhere else. BTW, I "borrowed" this photo from someone named Nesayus  |
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Post by sbutter on Dec 4, 2010 1:48:44 GMT -5
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Post by barbhorses on Dec 4, 2010 3:35:28 GMT -5
Wow... that horse to the low left hand corner has a jibah! According to the AHA, that is a classic feature of the purebred Arabian. Interesting to see this on a pony that I would have assumed to have more ancient European blood! Clearly, with the common wedge shaped head, dished profile, and the jibah, this horse (and of course breed) has Arabian influence. Neat photo!
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Post by DianneC on Dec 4, 2010 10:33:42 GMT -5
Kimberly, Your leaps of logic are amazing and unfounded, and you see Arab everywhere you look! The horse lower left looks younger, some of my foals have a slight bulge in their forehead until they get older. You'll notice that it is the ONLY profile that is not flat or slightly convex. But you used it to leap to an unfounded conclusion. But in looking up jibah I did find an interesting site. I think that there are many breeds that have similar goals.
MAYBE the Arabs took ancient European blood (Tapran) and used it to develop their horses. and MAYBE the Spanish mustang was used to create the American breeds like QH Morgan etc. and not vice versa. I asked that question of Cothran and he said that it was entirely possible. Because one horse has the markers or features (phenotype) of another breed does not mean that it was used to develop it. It could also mean that they had common ancestors.
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Post by kimk on Dec 4, 2010 10:42:38 GMT -5
Okay, first off, please do not confuse me, Kimberly, with Kimberlee, whom is barbhorses.
Second, Dianne, I am confused in your references to Sponenberg... do you really mean Cothran?? Because as I recall, Cothran did find indications of arab influence in one Kiger in particular.
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Post by DianneC on Dec 4, 2010 10:48:04 GMT -5
Kim, thanks for correcting me. It was Cothran. and I would never call you Kimberly. I'll pull my notes, because my memory...such as it is...was that he said there was not. I remember being surprised by it actually. But in checking his site though it says that there were Arab markers so I'll correct my post.
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