Kiger or? number 2

[kimk]

thanks Dianne.... i hate being called kimberly!!LOL

[DianneC]

So here are some shots of Cedar's head that I found similar to some of the Dulmen ponies in the last picture. I don't know if this is Tarpan, Arab or what, but I found it interesting as I've not seen anything else even approaching it. The position of the eyes with the slight dip in the profile just gave me a thrill when I first saw this last photo. Other pictures of the Dulmens are not so similar. s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff28/canyoncreekkigers/Cedar/

[kimk]

I've seen it too in some other horses who came from rick. There was a mare he called Buttercup, a full sister to Donner who had that same profile. I'll look for a picture.

[Michelle Clarke]

Dec 4, 2010 10:33:42 GMT -5 DianneC said:

MAYBE the Arabs took ancient European blood (Tapran) and used it to develop their horses. and MAYBE the Spanish mustang was used to create the American breeds like QH Morgan etc. and not vice versa. I asked that question of Cothran and he said that it was entirely possible. Because one horse has the markers or features (phenotype) of another breed does not mean that it was used to develop it. It could also mean that they had common ancestors.

Dianne...thank you for bringing this up. It is a subject I been wanting to discuss because how some folks make it seem is that if the horse in question has certain "markers" then that means that that breed is in that horse - which is totally incorrect. It simply means as you stated; they have the same ancestory or maybe even the horse in question was used in the other breed at one time.

[barbhorses]

I have never seen a bulging forehead on a horse of that age. I have seen it on very young foals, but it quickly goes away as the foal matures. That horse looks like she/he is more like a long yearling. Too old to have a young foal bulging forehead imo. Just because I can see Arab and I guess you can't doesn't mean that Arab isn't there... That horse has a dish and a modern wedge shaped head which are both features that you see on an Arab as well as the jibah.

Yea... call me KimJ if you are not going to spell my name correctly as it does get confusing with the two Kims on this msg board. I go by either Kim or Kimberlee.

The QH was made by crossing colonial Spanish mares in Virginia if I remember correctly. King ranch would round up wild Nevada mustangs and put those horses into their herd as well.

Also, Dr. Sponenberg told me that the people proclaimed he was an expert on CS horses, not him saying that he was. What he is very good at is veterinary pathology and equine color genetics as well as being the person I would go to if I had questions on Choctaw horses (he breeds them and they are his passion).

The Arabs had very few horses just because it was so difficult to care for a horse out in the middle of the desert. I recall reading in This is the Spanish Horse that it is documented that when the Moors invaded Spain that they brought an army of 70,000 warriors with only 100 horses.

[grullagirl]

You are right on the fact that spanish mustangs were used to help create the QH. There are some lines around that still can be traced to mustangs. I believe a lot of the mustangs they used were crosses with norfolk trotter or some type of roadster bloodline. Most of the spanish mustangs used were refered to as Indian shufflers or just indian horses. I'm guessing since the QH was started in virginia they were probably of choctaw blood. Because people were not known to keep very good records and often lied on pedigrees it is hard to tell which breeds really influenced the QH. I'm fairly sure there is a spanish influence though.

[Michelle Clarke]

I do know in Texas, the King ranch used local mustang mare crossed with thoroughbreds back in the day. This was also common in Mexico...criollos w/ thoroughbreds.

[DianneC]

I mentioned to the owner of a well marked dun mare that the dun factor gene came from the mustangs that helped start the QH breed. Reply was "Hmm, does the AQHA know about this?" I know it was common for ranchers to turn bigger stallions out with the mustang mares to breed remounts.

[sorraia]

Everywhere you go on the web re Kigers, Sorraias, et al, there's this Kimberlee person with a huge axe to grind, going on literally for pages and trying to shout down anyone and everyone who doesn't jibe with her halfwit personal agenda. So-called expert. She rarely makes a lick of sense. Howdy Kimberlee, not surprised to see you here covering up the boards...

[DianneC]

She finally wore out her welcome here. You won't find any recent posts. Your board name suggests that you might know something about Sorraias. do you have one? Or perhaps Sorraia mustangs?

[sorraia]

Hi Dianne-- Thanks for the heads up. Glad she's gone...

I am a professional wildlife artist and am just getting started with my research for a series of oils of Sorraias and Sorraia mustangs that I want to paint. Of course, I find the interesting patterns and colors of other mustangs fascinating and worthy of painting too. The link between the ancient tarpan horse type and the Sorraia mustang is compelling-- and first attracted me to the idea of researching and painting them. Now I am soaking in everything mustang I can find on the web and elsewhere. I am really just getting started learning about Kigers, Sulphurs, and Sorraias-- and am very glad that I found your forum! Hope to learn a lot here and enjoy these magnificent horses...

[DianneC]

There is a Kiger that I used to own, Smoky Canyon, who was registered in the Sorraias Mustang Registry. They reorganized an ddon't take geldings any longer. There are pictures of him if you go to canyoncreekkiger.com and click on the photo albums link. Smoke is looking for a new home with little girls to raise if anyone is interested.