Dun??? What do you think?

[Michelle Clarke]

www.lusitanocollection.com/chaos.htm

[DianneC]

Absolutely, you can see leg stripes on his pictures trotting. He also has that sheen, I wonder if he has pearl as well? I would say dunskin from the yellow tone to his color. I like him a lot and I have someone in Florida who is supposed to let me know who buys him.
His dam isn't pictured but she has another son, Bismark, and they call him "another striped" stallion. He is greying and I can only see leg stripes in one picture, but he does have a bicolored mane. Nice horse!
www.lusitanocollection.com/bismark.htm
Also, did you see that Sommer Ranch has a new two year old stallion, Dante, who is out of Mistral Do Top and Xerox's sister. No grey. Should be a profitable combination!

[barbhorses]

I can see legs stripes as well. I would call him a dun. Very pretty Lusitanos!

[grullagirl]

I would definately have to say he's a dun. I don't know why so many people still refuse to believe that there is a dun gene in the lusitano, it would make sense since they were one of the breeds descended from the sorria. What beautiful horses they've put together for the 2011 collection, i would love to just go down and watch the bidding.

[grullagirl]

By the way did anybody see the stallion Celbidas Interago, I can't believe how much white he has it makes me think that he could have the sabino gene. What do you guys think?
www.lusitanocollection.com/celbidas2010.htm

[barbhorses]

He does display the sabino gene. White markings above the hock or knee or white on the lower lip is sabino. It appears to have come from his great grandsire Hábil (MV)

I would like to see the origin of the sabino in this line. What is interesting is that white patterns were known to be foreign colors in Spain. The PRE and PSL have been crossed for centuries to other breeds to get what we have today, so I suppose it isn't surprising to see this stallion displaying that.

[Michelle Clarke]

I know of a few lines in the PRE that carry the sabino, so it would not surprise me if the Lusitanos did too.

Have you seen the Arabian lines with the sabino? Some are really really colored.

Dianne, both of those stallions are nice! Hopefully we'll get to see what that dun guy produces someday.

This is gonna make someone a nice riding gelding...I like him lots too!

www.lusitanocollection.com/uno2010.htm

[barbhorses]

Yes, there was an Arab I knew of at a barn I use to have my horse at and she was an off type Arab (longer head with no noticeable dish, slab sided, long in the back, etc.) that had a strong rabicano gene as well as displaying the sabino gene.

[DianneC]

Michelle, with his lineage I'm surprised they did geld him. Both parents are grey so such a fiery color was unexpected, but still...Maybe they had a buyer who wanted him gelded and then backed out or something such. He is truly beautiful. If they ever make a movie out of Walter Farley's book "Flame", he would be the horse to use.

[grullagirl]

The arabians who display the sabino gene are pretty amazing to see. I actually found a blue sabino arab gelding with blue eyes for sale on craigslist, it was definately interesting to see. I'm thinking the arabs with the sabino gene come from older lines and not the ones that are so in vogue today, considering most of the sabinos i have seen in the arab breed lack a dished face and have very well formed backs and hips. I also can't wait to see what that dun stallion produces, it will definately be interesting for sure.

[lilnagy]

FLAME WAS MY FAVORITE WALTER FARLEY BOOK!!! I remember being fascinated with the historial element; the conquistadors and their horses. Maybe that wonderful memory was lurking in my brain when I first heard about Kigers! now I want to dig it out and read it again :-)

[Michelle Clarke]

Another sabino Luso...nice looking guy too!

www.sucandi.com/cavalos/stallions/xerez.php

[DianneC]

Did you see the Nature show on dogs last week? They were talking about silver foxes bred to be pets. Russia I think. They chose the friendliest and crossed them with other friendly silvers. Worked well! In six generations they had pet fox. But a funny thing happened, the foxes were getting white ruffs and white paws.
Lilnagy, have you read Walter Farley's daughter, Terri Farley's Phantom series? Must read. She has a series set in Hawaii too, but the Phantom are better. I buy them for my nieces (ahem) and read them myself first.

[grullagirl]

The silver fox experiment had truly amazing results in that in the final generation the foxes no longer had pricked ears but floppy ones, they barked, knew their names, and started to wag their tails.They also developed excessive white markings like you said Dianne, its very interesting that this occurred with selective breeding by humans. Mrs.Michelle what a beautiful lusitano stud, is he in the U.S.?

[Michelle Clarke]

I saw that years ago on NG, it was very interesting and shows how genetics (even in controlled breeding individuals) can mutate and then become the norm. I've often wondered if by looking at those silver foxes that have been domestic bred if people start to belive they are crossed with other types of canines/domestic dogs because of what they have developed into and what is seen right in front of them.

We tend to look at horses and say this horse is part this or has this in it because of this...liked hooked ears ~ they must have arabian in them; however I think not all horses with hooked ears have arabian in them just because they have developed a similar trait.

That Lusitano is for sale in Brasil...nice looking, but personally, I'm not a fan off a lot of white. I was thinking of Shaboom; 3/4 lusitano:



Shaboom's Lusitano sire, Nostradamus, imported from Germany:



Remember Belle...pure Thoroughbred (actually a Secretariat granddaughter):



And her filly by Charro, Bella Rosa: