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Post by desperatehorsewife on Jan 11, 2008 23:40:11 GMT -5
toucan, I'm sure you love your Kiger. I love my mustangs, and honestly can't see that the Kiger is any better or worse than my others.  They're all born wild and in my mind, that gives them an edge over anything born in captivity. That's where my passion is. I know there's the registry that refuses to share their big bouncy ball with the rest of the world. I know I tried contacting another and they've yet to contact me back. I don't know enough about any of them, really, which is one of the reasons I came here. Papers hold little value to me, but in the resale world they may mean a higher dollar value, so I want to be sure I've pick the right one |
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Post by nrly on Jan 12, 2008 0:14:39 GMT -5
Michelle,
do you still accept information on your site, If so I will fill it out for my Stormy, will have to wait on Riddle till I get his information from Rick.
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Post by toucan on Jan 12, 2008 1:50:20 GMT -5
toucan, I'm sure you love your Kiger. I love my mustangs, and honestly can't see that the Kiger is any better or worse than my others. They're all born wild and in my mind, that gives them an edge over anything born in captivity. That's where my passion is. I know there's the registry that refuses to share their big bouncy ball with the rest of the world. I know I tried contacting another and they've yet to contact me back. I don't know enough about any of them, really, which is one of the reasons I came here. Papers hold little value to me, but in the resale world they may mean a higher dollar value, so I want to be sure I've pick the right one Desperatehorsewife, passion seems to be a major driving force in this breed . Wild born/captured horses seem to be your passion. Many, myself included, share their allure. But sorry, can't have it both ways. If you want the security of picking the correct registry, aka papers, which you stated would be more valuable in the resale world, you should then recognize the value and worth of breeding captive horses. Overbred for financial gain? Bred out of passion? Breed for pretty horses of color? Bred without either parent ever being tested undersaddle? You bet! Both in captivity and in the wild - think about it. So, why do you care two hoots about what the registries do or don't do when all you need is your government issued papers? Jillian, this is not the first time I have read of one registry's refusal to share information. Do you think it might be because of extremely poor record keeping and business management? Intentional deceit? or both?. This is why I said it is time to move ahead; accept public knowledge horses as full (widely done as recent as 20 years ago in the QH world). One of your breed's oldest registery is full of papertrail nightmares, one full of unacceptable foundation stock and their decsendants, which interestingly enough some owners/breeders in the KHAR used to own but have since cleared their stock of. What a mess! BTW, Desperatehorsewife, "toucan, I'm sure you love your Kiger.", to clarify I said ride. And yes, I do love riding Kigers. |
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Post by sonrisa98 on Jan 12, 2008 3:01:29 GMT -5
may I ask what registry won't give out pedigree information? and if they don't, what right do they have to keep that info to themselves. it should be public knowledge.
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Post by Michelle Clarke on Jan 12, 2008 9:15:09 GMT -5
Registries don't have to share anything, especially if they are private owned and managed. That is the sorry truth of it. As far as what registry it is, maybe someone will PM you because I really don't want this board to turn into a mudslinging venue like the other one. This is a real nice group of people here and I want to keep things upbeat and moving forward. There are plenty of people who will share their beliefs, half-truths or opinions if you email them directly I am sure! Most everyone has a side they are loyal to and that needs to be taken into consideration when forming your own opinions. |
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Post by sonrisa98 on Jan 12, 2008 10:57:52 GMT -5
I haven't picked any registry as of yet, I just sit here and read what is going on and your right, the name don't need to be mentioned. This is the first forum I've been on that no fighting has started and I love it ;o) Its just sad that someone won't share info on a pedigree when it involves your horse. That right there would make me dig even harder on a new purchase.
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Post by desperatehorsewife on Jan 12, 2008 12:42:32 GMT -5
Toucan, your reply confuses me as it sounds as though you feel the only reason for a registry is to record breedings. Is that all it is to you? Personally, I don't enjoy working with captive bred horses. I used to. Rode a lot of quarter horses, started a few for other folks. Loved the show world and would be thrilled to find a mustang that could hold his own in the open show world against domestic bred horses. I often have people ask me just what a mustang is good for, and can they do anything. I find myself explaining (just as others have here, to me) that sometimes winning isn't everything, and that a good, sound mind and a comfortable ride is enough for most folks. I find the mustangs to be a priceless commodity, a little known treasure in the horse world. Not all registered stock are able to perform at top levels, either, but if they're bringing someone pleasure, then that's what it's about. However, I see no reason to breed just to bring pleasure, because I find there are plenty of pleasure horses available for $125 at the corrals And if you really want to see the Kiger explode in value, then you'd better be doing your homework and marketing them as more than just a nice horse, a pretty horse, a horse that pulls on heartstrings. Because to most people, you can market any mustang in the same manner. I know, because I do it all the time. I've got an entire domestic horse forum now trying to fix up their barns and facilities so they can adopt wild If you take the time and look around at the different HMAs, you'll find a horse that meets everyone's needs. Some folks don't like duns, but they love appaloosas. Send them, then, to Warm Springs. Want a pinto? Head to Steens. Cavalry horses your thing? Try Coyote Lakes and Alvord Tulle. That's the beauty of the mustang. Something for everyone, no matter what tugs at your heart. I get the feeling that some of you think I'm saying don't breed your Kigers, period. But what I'm saying is, be smart about it. There are, unfortunately, some folks with more money than brains out there breeding horses. They think because it's got the right plumbing, it ought to be making babies (after all, they would in the wild, right?) But there are already plenty in the wild, so we need to be smart about which ones we're using in captivity, and they've got to be horses that can take on domestics at their own game. Otherwise, you're going to find you've flooded a very small market very soon. |
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Post by karismakigers on Jan 12, 2008 12:53:16 GMT -5
I will not post the name here on the board, I have deliberately left it off of my posts.
If anyone is genuinely interested in the name, they can email me privately.
And, no tucan, I am not even going to guess why this registry will not share the pedigree info. I am sure there could be a thousand reasons, all with some degree of truth to them.
But, while it is not mandatory for a registry to release pedigrees, I know of NOT a single registry in the world (sans this one) that does not release pedigrees for either a fee or to its members' request. Think about that one. The QH, Morgan, Friesian, Appy, Paint, Standardbred, Saddlebred, Pinto, Spanish Mustang, Paso Fino, TB, Draft, Hafhflinger, Arab, Hackney, Trotter, Shetland, Icelandic, Welsh Pony, etc. Every registry in the world that registered horses has a studbook (pedigree database) that is accessible either to their members or accessible for a fee. Except this one Kiger registry.
Jillian
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Post by fantasykiger on Jan 12, 2008 16:19:29 GMT -5
The Mustang Directory at American Kiger is great but how does it work when it has closed the books on any wild Kiger Mustang born after 2003 not being allowed registration. Would it allow them listing in the Directory ? if not there is going to be major flaw in the Directory in the future when looking back.
desperatehorsewife ..I think it is a great idea to do something like all breed pedigree to keep track of all horse registered or not wild or captive bred and if we could redo Kiger Quest to fit that bill it would be great and I would happily include my horses should there be a category for partbloods as well and encourage others to post their horses.
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Post by karismakigers on Jan 12, 2008 16:30:22 GMT -5
I think the Mustang Directory is separate from the American Kiger registry studbooks. The Directory has all advertised and registered (where info has been shared) Kigers that has been found through research. You actually have to submit and pay for the American Kiger registration process. The Mustang Directory is free for submission.
Jillian
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Post by nrly on Jan 12, 2008 18:22:53 GMT -5
ok why do we have to pay it can be put on line and as Kiger owners and 1/2 kigers we should be able to access it, now if we want a copy of it then we should have to pay. But it should be available to the public for viewing.
nola
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Post by karismakigers on Jan 12, 2008 18:37:54 GMT -5
ok why do we have to pay it can be put on line and as Kiger owners and 1/2 kigers we should be able to access it, now if we want a copy of it then we should have to pay. But it should be available to the public for viewing. nola Nola, you lost me. The mustang Directory is free to view and free to enter info into. It has always been free. To get a hardcopy, it does cost money, but that is because of the ink and paper and time involved with printing and the CD if you go that route. It does cost to REGISTER your horse with American Kiger. Of course, it cost money to register any horse with just about any registry. That is due to the man hours, bookkeeping, paper, ink, verification research work, etc. And the costs associated with keeping a registry legal within the state that it does business and with the federal government as well if it is a non-profit. Jillian |
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Post by nrly on Jan 12, 2008 22:38:57 GMT -5
the kiger register should be an open book for all of us, and if we decide we need to have a copy then we should pay for it, but as far as searching names and lines it all should be open to us. that is what I was saying. to look at should be free,to print yes pay for. If there is nothing to hide then why can't I look at it and study lines.
nola
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Post by karismakigers on Jan 13, 2008 0:53:47 GMT -5
the kiger register should be an open book for all of us, and if we decide we need to have a copy then we should pay for it, but as far as searching names and lines it all should be open to us. that is what I was saying. to look at should be free,to print yes pay for. If there is nothing to hide then why can't I look at it and study lines. nola Nola, I'm sorry, now I get what you were saying. True a Kiger registry should be open for all members or interested parties to view the pedigrees and genetics. KMA, AKHR, KHAR all have accessible studbooks. KMA was working on an online studbook, I don't know the progress of that. AKHR has its horses online in the Mustang Directory, the horses that are in BOLD are horses registered with AKHR. I know that KHAR is hoping to have a studbook out sometime in 2008. We are still waiting on some photos of horses and a final vesting on the layout of the project. Eventually, it will probably be online and searchable like a database. I don't know about CKMR. SMKR does not allow access. They use to have a listing on their website, but it didn't show pedigrees or origins...just that the horse had a SMKR number. They took the listing down. Not sure why. Jillian |
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They're all born wild and in my mind, that gives them an edge over anything born in captivity. That's where my passion is. 
