Claybank

[fantasykiger]

for some weird reason I can not get it to play. :/
Claybank for breeds outside the Kiger Mustang to me is that wonderful light red dun without being perlino. But I think there has always been an understanding sense the Kiger Mustang was established Claybank Kigers have black points, whether that was a mistake made when veiwing a graying dun in the middle stages, or that there are in fact some very creamy black point Kiger Mustangs that stay true. Confusing as it is, that is how I see claybanks when it comes to the Kiger Mustang.

[barbhorses]

Hey Tiffany, I got some flack from people about him rearing up on command so I took it off the net. The last thing I want to do is put the Sulphurs in a bad light. Sorry.

[fantasykiger]

Oh well that is just plain silly...in my mind. Good grief', but I understand that you want to show a postive representation to all concerned.

[barbhorses]

I cut out some pics from the film so you can at least see what he looks like

[Michelle Clarke]

Saw this filly on CL today...this is what, in my mind, a claybank would look like. If the picts don't show, then I'll copy and post them tonight..





They've got her listed as a palamino...not!

[barbhorses]

A palomino with RED hair! I think not! lol

Neat color! I would be curious to see how she sheds out.

[beauba]

What a beautiful little filly .
That claybankcolor looks a lot like perlino , doesn't it ?
We don't have colors like that in our Dutch horsebreeds .
I'm still trying to figure out what a warbonnet is though ?
Is that a specific color or a coat pattern ?

[barbhorses]

that is a pattern. spanishmustang.org/cgi-bin/yabb2_3/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=img_2344.jpg

Here name is Mystic Stargazer. She is a Spanish Mustang bred and born in England. She is actually a Medicine Hat. You can see the start of her shield on her chest. However, you can get a very good idea of what a warbonnet would look like.

Basically, the body will be white except the "bonnet" on top of the head. Doesn't matter the color of the bonnet. The term "war" comes from the Indian connotations to the pattern.

[lindad]

It was my understanding that claybank's still had dark points. It was that the body color was very light and was described as appearing to have rolled in red clay. It is a very unusual color, on that foal.
Linda D

[barbhorses]

Yes, this foal that Michelle has pictured as well as several Sulphurs all have light cream bodies with red hair and blond highlights. As far as I am aware of, that is a claybank.

Not to sound superior, but being that I am having conversations with Dr. Sponenberg, perhaps if you all would like to read his definition of a claybank?

[Michelle Clarke]

You can't tell in the picts, but I wonder if this filly is a champagne... If so, she would have light skin around the eyes, muzzle and private areas; then as she gets older, they get freckles on top of that.

Kim, yes I agree - no palamino with that red hair! We have a gal that brought in a paint stud colt for training...one of her reasons for keeping him a stud is he is supposed to be a palamino/tobiano. He has alot of white, but the base color in his tail is red red red - so agian, not a palamino. His red spots are light though, so I wonder if he is a red dun (he is all white along the topline, so can't see a dorsal); maybe just a very light sorrel...??

[gotkiger]

I have a claybank mare whom i did the UC Davis color test on and these are her results

EE (homozigus black, bay, brown) Unable to have a red foal
Aa (black points in a pattern)
Ng (one gray gene)

No cream
No silver
No champaign

She started out the same color as the horse lilnagy posted but with a different colored main and tail an had a black dorsal stripe. She has her leg bars but is now only dappled when she is kept in a covered stall. If she is out int he sun she is pure white and statring to be fleebitten. This I know is the gray gene showing through but do all claybanks gray out or do they not all have the gray gene? has anyone else done the color test on their claybank kiger? As from my results the claybank is not a red dun but it is it's own color. and i am curious if there are two differrent types as some seem to be more red then others ... I wonder if there is a red based and a black based claybank?

her main and tail are bi colored black and white

[Michelle Clarke]

Claybank can be a different color, depending on who you talk to - especially in different breeds. It's not really a color, just a term to describe a color. I belive most Kiger "claybanks" did eventually grey, even though it is slowly. I had one of these, she was eleven when she died and her stripes were still visable and her mane and tail mostly dark. Many Kiger folks belive it is dun w/creme (the same gene that makes the palimino/buckskin). However, this creates an entirely different looking color (see Angelsdream colt); he is basically a buckskin with the dun factor.

I have had three plus two grullos that greyed by the same "claybank" mare...

[charlieh]

I happen to own a 12 year old Sulphur Claybank Mare. This color in Sulphur's is the very light red dun almost orangey-tan looking but her under skin is dark, her mane and tail are a dark orange-mahogany color. The Bi color is almost orange.

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[kimk]

In discussing it with Ron H. several years ago, they had put some grey studs out on the Kiger HMA thinking they were "claybank" which is what started the whole thing. The term "Claybank" refers to a horse that looks like a white horse who rolled in a clay bank, which would generally be red. So Tiffany's description of a very light red dun horse without being perlino would be correct. Gotkiger's horse is grey, and has color tested to prove that.
I have yet to hear of any Kigers color tested positive for cream.