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Post by angelsdream on Sept 22, 2008 11:39:28 GMT -5
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Post by nrly on Sept 22, 2008 13:26:51 GMT -5
thank you for this thread I book marked it and will sit down an read it all in a bit, again thank you..
nola
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Post by angelsdream on Sept 30, 2008 19:52:00 GMT -5
Did anyone read this thread, its very long but very interesting. Its amazing what issues the neck thread worms can cause in horses.
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Post by DianneC on Sept 30, 2008 23:46:38 GMT -5
I did a google search to see what I could find out about Onchocerca. There is a different variety that infects people in tropical areas. Guess what? They are treating them with ivermectin. They are infected by insect bites as best I can understand. It causes noduals when the body tries to section them off and also blindness. There was mention of severe itching and a high immune response when they die, but I couldn't figure out if that was a problem or a good thing. Based on what they have done with people I will try a double dose of ivermectin first for Lark, who rubbed her mane out this summer.
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Post by angelsdream on Oct 1, 2008 6:16:24 GMT -5
Yes I did see that its mostly in the southern states where its hot and humid. I double dosed mine with equimax just to make sure. I noticed that Lakota rubbed her tail just a little bit -not where her tail was out - but I did it just to make sure. My boyfriends horse has had small lumps on his neck, girth area and the vet was out to look at them last year and she said it was just lymph nodes due to the sun (he's a light grey) but after I read this thread, I got to thinking the thread worms could be the cause also because he said he wormed him once with ivermectin and had him at the trainers in the barn and the knots went away, but he wast hinking it was just cause he was inside and out of the sun. So we double dosed him also - will see what happens. It was interesting to see that alot of the worms will build up resistance to the wormers due to under dosing, makes total sense.
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Post by desperatehorsewife on Oct 1, 2008 10:15:13 GMT -5
Interesting article. I do know ivermectin will kill external parasites (lice comes to mind) so it would make sense that it could do battle with other skin issues as well.
Resistance is a funny thing. Parasites don't really build an immunity so much as those who are immune are left behind. I would think that doubling up on your dewormer is going to kill off those susceptible much faster than only giving a half dose, thereby making the parasites immune to that product faster. Make sense?
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Post by dara on Oct 1, 2008 15:19:20 GMT -5
I havent read the thread yet but... all this ivermectin talk reminds me. I had always dosed my girls really close to thier weight( someone told me long ago to be careful never to give too much) so i just went by what they said and was carful to give the right dose...well i started to see worms in their poop and they REALLY looked like pinworms to me but the horse vet said "oh no if you wormed with ivermectin it couldent be pinworms" ok, so i took the worms to work and put them under the microscope..and guess what?...PINWORMS!! So me not giving a big enought dose wasent killing the pinworms, i dont know how long they had them for but it crazy to think it could have been for a very long time. I used, i think it was EQUIMAX which has monodection in it insted of strait ivermection then i folloed up with a fecal and found no evidence of any worms. it didnt hurt one bit to give a bit more.
So thats my worming story. ;D
i will read the thread soon
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Post by lilnagy on Oct 15, 2008 22:16:09 GMT -5
WOW! that article was just what I needed to read! I was going to get on the board here and ask for suggestions for my poor two year old who is so itchy she has rubbed herself sore; and I don't see lice, and most the biting bugs are gone now. I did just worm her , but I am always careful to give just the "right" dose. I will double dose her, and again in 2 weeks, and see. I will let you all know...
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Post by nrly on Nov 10, 2008 15:44:02 GMT -5
does it have to be the paste, I use the liquid, we 12 cc Riddle one week then 12 cc the next week, off a week, then 12 cc the 4th week, then we will do him again in 30 days... I am just scared to put to much in him if I now use the paste on top of what I have already given him...Also Stormy rubs her mane, and hse has rubbed it off in a few spots, but not her tail, and we are using nu stock, but it is a paste we put on her and it is attracting bee's, I am at a loss there, will the paste work on her if the itch is on her mane, is that also sweet itch...We know it has to be a parasite,of some sort on her body, it is getting to cool here to bath, so what should I do...
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Post by angelsdream on Nov 10, 2008 16:57:44 GMT -5
Im not sure Nola, from what I understood, there's something in the Equimax that does the trick, the combination of certain ones maybe (I think it was mostly the Ivermectin that most everyone said was the key) and also the double dose amount because from reading, I believe some people were under dosing which causes more of a immunity the next go around and the DD also is more potent and spreads to the neck and area's before it loses its potentcy. Not sure if what you're explaining is sweet itch or not, I believe sweet itch is mostly on the body but it may start out in the mane and tail in the mild form??? Ive never had one that had sweet itch but have seen lots of pictures.
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Post by nrly on Nov 10, 2008 20:57:35 GMT -5
I am at a loss with her, some say roach the mane , but no I won't. I will have to figure out something, this is the first time she has done this, and I have had her since 06..and riddle will be a year here in the December...man I hate this not really knowing but trying everything, if you get the idea...If not better in a few days will call the vet..
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