Mesteno??

[stlkigers]

Thanks Andi....

Angela

[lindad]

Andi, thanks so much for sharing these with us. Yellow Sands is awesome! Mesteno's son resembles Steens Kiger, I think. My stallion looks like Adolph in that shot. Can't wait to get your book. I hope that these shots are in the book too.
Linda D

[angelsdream]

Thanks Andi. I love hearing all the stories from when the kiger's first come about. I do want to order some pic's of him and other Kiger shots off your living legends page...Thanks for putting all that together. I'm sure it's an amazing book!

[fantasykiger]

What impressive stallions, they sure have a presence about them. ..I love Yellow Sand's pale red dun (I assume) coloring. The black stockings up to the elbow on Mesteno's son and Adolph are very striking, as well.
I will certianly want your book on my wish list of horse books, when it hits the shelves.

[spanishsagegrullas]

I have always been intrigued by this photo I took of my 1996 Beatys Butte mare when she was in the pens.



Compared to this shot of Mesteno, which I saw later:

[lindad]

The faces are almost identical. No wonder you are intrigued.

[Andi]

I'm glad you like the photos!

Doing this book has been a great adventure! I got to spend several days at the BLM warehouse and at Tara's desk going thru thousands of photos the BLM had. Plus meeting with and talking to the wranglers and other staff, and talking to people around here and all over about their horses. There is so much information begging to be collected ... how could I not do it?

Over the years, I have seen many horses come in from Beaty's Butte that look like they are descendants of the Mesteno band from long ago, and they likely are. After all, lead mares and herd stallions kick offspring out of their bands all the time, so I'm sure there are still lots out there!

Did you all hear about the 25+ year old mare that came out of Paisley at this last gather? She appears to be pregnant and she appeared to be colicking so she was brought in and given some banamine and put in one of the small pens close to the barn so they could keep an eye on her. She is sale authority, of course, and was purchased by someone so she could have a "forever" home in her golden years. Since she was already branded, some research was done to see when she was first gathered and how many times she was gathered. She was first gathered as a yearling, some 24 years ago now ... from the Kiger HMA! How cool is that?

[dunbeingwild]

Ok, please let me enlighten you, there was no Kiger Herd in the 70s. The horses that became the Kiger herd were removed from Paisley and Beatty Butte area in the late 1970s and early 1980s. Those horses and a few horses that fit Ron's look from some other areas were moved to Kiger I think in 1981 or 82. We adopted some of them out at the Eugene adoption facility in the summer of 1982 and at Grants Pass, Tillamook, and Portland that same year. Many of those horses were either were the less typical horses. Ron put the horses that showed the most type out on Riddle Mt and Kiger. Most of the red duns went to Riddle Mt. Mestaneo was placed at Kiger. There were only a couple of the stallions that the crew named, Lloyd Mulholland would be your best best for more information on them as he was working with the program from the mid 70s through the 1990s.

The look that E Ron Harding was going for was under 14.3 H, good boned, small head, very small muzzle, good hip, clean lines with a solid front end, small ears with curved points. Color wise they were dun and dun factor horses with all spotted, white, cream, and horses with white manes and tails also removed. This was policy clear through the 1990s though there were a couple of mares and one stallion left out that threw spotted colts and the stud would put one white colt on the ground every year or so. But the rest of his colts were so good Ron forgave him for the few white ones and just shipped them as from a different herd. Ron understood that there had to be some black and bays left to keep the dun genetics good (no one wanted the killer white gene to pop out in the Kiger's.

[grullagirl]

Wow Yellow Sands is a very unique looking horse. He almost looks as if he's a red dun with a cream gene. Does anyone know of some books that have some history on the kigers and the other horses on the HMA's? When is your book coming out Andi?

[DianneC]

Pretty sure we saw Yellow Sands (or is he also called Roho?) A few years ago. We had hiked up the rough road from the springs to the reservoir. Coming back there was a large band of antelope above the road on a kind of self. There was a red dun with his mane the same color as his body and a dark and a grey together with the antelope.

[stormyranch]

Mesteno son;
Nuevo Alientrios

taken in 1998

[kigercat]

Dec 4, 2011 19:32:49 GMT -5 grullagirl said:

Wow Yellow Sands is a very unique looking horse. He almost looks as if he's a red dun with a cream gene. Does anyone know of some books that have some history on the kigers and the other horses on the HMA's? When is your book coming out Andi?

if you drop a cream gene on a red based horse (sorrel or red dun) you get in the case of sorrel a palomino and a red dun a dunalino. So no cream there.
Cream always expresses itself, like dun and grey. if you have it it shows. Doesn't hide and then just appeer generations down the road from 2 parents who aren't grey, cream or dun.

[kimk]

I personally do not know of any full Kigers who have tested positive for a cream gene.

[DianneC]

Not tested maybe but certainly present at one point in time. There were numerous pictures of what looked like dunalinos and Ramona adopted Tia last year who originated one of the Kiger HMAs and was transferred to Paisley years ago. She's dunskin. I'm sure I have pictures of the dunalinos and I think they are in a thread here on the board.

[kigercat]

Did Ramona actually pull hairs and have her tested for cream? I know of a couple horses that people swore had to have cream because they were so light, but when tested they didn't have it...were just a very light dun.