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Post by fantasykiger on Jul 15, 2008 16:51:20 GMT -5
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Post by dara on Jul 15, 2008 18:13:39 GMT -5
what color would you call her? This year she has gotten alot more light brown hair, this last photo is under her mane so i cant imagine its from the sun bleaching it. I also have a photo of behind her ear where its really "blond" for lack of a better word. behind her elbows ears and neck are her lightest spots, and i can see her dorsal stripe more this year more than ever,but still hard to see.
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Post by Michelle Clarke on Jul 16, 2008 11:03:38 GMT -5
Most likely a dark grulla.
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Post by spanishsagegrullas on Jul 16, 2008 17:34:34 GMT -5
Even though her coat color seems dark, it is still light enough that you should see a distinct dorsal. Do you have a picture of her dorsal?
Some bays, even dark ones, have a shadowing effect along the topline, which some people confuse with a dorsal. To make matters even more complicated, some people think that even with a clearly defined dorsal stripe, the horses cannot be claimed to be dun if they do not have leg striping. I personally disagree with that extreme of dun factor requirement. But, you should be able to see a distinct dark dorsal, with her body color being light enough in these pictures for that. I have a very dark grulla mare, and even though she is darker than these pictures of Ellie, in the summer you can still see her dorsal stripe distinctly.
She could be a fading black, or a smokey black. You could have her color tested at UCD to see if she carries the cream in order to be a smokey black, and you could test for red and agouti. I think both those tests combined are $75.
Diane P.
Spanish Sage Ranch
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Post by DianneC on Jul 16, 2008 23:38:11 GMT -5
I'm glad to see new pictures of Ellie. When I first saw her I thought dark grulla and still say that is her color. This summer climb up on a fence and get some pictures of her dorsal stripe. It should have hard edges. Since her dam did not have the cream gene she couldn't be smokey black (thanks for the picture). If you read the first topic under Dun Deal - dun and sooty genes -you'll see a conversation about dark grullas and Geronimo. He's been bred to a great many solid mares and always thrown dun or grulla, never a bay. But his foals with a dark (sooty) chestnut has produced a couple of dark grullas. I think this is another one.
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Post by kimk on Jul 16, 2008 23:43:24 GMT -5
I have to agree with Michelle and Dianne. Also note the fawn colored ear interior with outlining.
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Post by dara on Jul 17, 2008 15:06:33 GMT -5
I do have a few pics of her dorsal stripe,but it is hard to see. Ellies is very faint and i can only see it when standing at an angel from her rump, but i will try the up high photos. I also need to bath her for the photos. One kiger breeder said she can see leg barring but i have never been able to see it.
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Post by Michelle Clarke on Jul 17, 2008 17:33:30 GMT -5
Alot of time the spot where the dorsal is the hair will be different....sometimes longer and a different texture.
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Post by fantasykiger on Jul 21, 2008 18:43:35 GMT -5
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Post by dara on Jul 22, 2008 13:12:24 GMT -5
ok more photos. She would not for the life of me perk her ears forward so i could get a good shot behind her ears for the color,but you get the idea(pretty light colored). The photos of her stripe again are hard to see, but it was easier to see in person of course. Do you all still think dark grulla??
Thanks,Dara
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Post by DianneC on Jul 22, 2008 20:40:16 GMT -5
I see that she does have a dorsal stripe and it goes down through her tail as well. A definite dark grulla, and there are quite a few in the Kiger world including the grand champion Kiger stallion at the last Kiger Fest.
There are those in non-Kiger circles who see so few duns (they are rather rare out there) that they think that a horse has to have a light body color to be dun. They say that this is just countershading, due to the sooty gene. They don't seem to be able to grasp that a horse can be dun AND have a sooty gene.
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Post by dara on Jul 22, 2008 22:19:49 GMT -5
COOL ! I guess that is also a good selling point if i sell her(she not just a black). I will also look into the sooty gene thing on this page. I sure love learning about all this new stuff. Thanks everyone.
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Post by dara on Jul 31, 2008 0:01:46 GMT -5
So I was woundering if coat colors can change when pregnant or nursing. Ellie has never been this light before and i am thinking her hormones? is this possible?
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Post by DianneC on Aug 1, 2008 0:20:11 GMT -5
Not that I've seen, its usually the amount of sun they get. The year Chinook was inspected we'd had a very sunny winter and spring and he had faded a lot so the inspectors saw his dorsal. I had to climb up on the gate and see it for myself . When we were at KigerFest a couple years later he hadn't faded at all and one of the inspectors said he would have had to say black if that's the way he had been when inspected.
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Post by dara on Aug 1, 2008 0:32:07 GMT -5
Yah i was woudering about fading, but some of her light color is under her mane wher not much sun hits. But we have had a very sunny and mild spring/summer. I guess they will look a bit different year to year like you said DianneC. Thanks
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