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Post by canadiankigers on May 3, 2008 1:11:47 GMT -5
Okay, if you could design your own perfect registry,
what would you want that registry to do for you?
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Post by nrly on May 23, 2008 4:30:48 GMT -5
make it kiger people friendlier to those who ask questions, members and so on.
listen to the people who voted them on the board, and if they get to big for their britches then they can be voted off with or without an annual meeting, and not to be out for friends and family. I guess it needs to bun like a business, and we the owner are the stock holders, and no meeting can or will be held in secret, all minuets posted on a web page, open to opinions. only those who have kigers can vote and you are only allowed one vote no matter how many kigers you have.
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Post by fantasykiger on May 23, 2008 14:50:11 GMT -5
I want real good record keeping of all Kigers and the bloodlines. I want access to those records if you have to pay a fee once a year to get so many views on a website or whatever so be it. but I want to be able to check horses pedigrees. if owners wish to remain unseen that is fair, I am not asking full disclosure on who owns who, just what horse is related to who, if it is unknown just say so. That is what I consider a registry to be a place to register and Keep track of all horses. I would expect the registry to keep in touch with owners to keep up to date records on horses too, so they will know when a horses passes away as well. Or if they have been sold. I realize not everyone give a hoot about paperwork. Some horses will be lost track of. They will be sold and papers never transfered or sold without papers at a cheaper cost and such. Most registries just leave it up to the owners to supply the paperwork/proper forms and file it away. But I do not think an annual or bi/annual questionaire of what horses sold or passed away to keep records up to date I unreasonable for members to fill out. Besides that I think the registry should be a promoter of the breed. How they go about that should be in a business like manner playing no favorites and I hate to say a horse is a product but they must promote the breed like it is "all that and a bag of Chips". With advertising and booths at horse events. Don't ever sell yourself short. I would love to open a horse magazine and next to the ads for APHA or the Arabian Horse see a color add for the new Kiger Mustang Registry that is serious about registering all Kiger Mustangs. Anyway that is what I would want to start  *I should probably note that in my opinion a Kiger Mustang should come from Kiger/Riddle HMA or trace pedigree back to said horses from such HMAs. As a main priority for me to support the registry. There could be further qualifications as far as conformation is concerned and what not as ideal. |
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Post by canadiankigers on Jul 21, 2008 18:20:34 GMT -5
Tiffany:
You made some great points. Let me see if I can address some of them.
1. I want real good record keeping of all Kigers and the bloodlines. I want access to those records if you have to pay a fee once a year to get so many views on a website or whatever so be it. but I want to be able to check horses pedigrees. I am not asking full disclosure on who owns who, just what horse is related to who, if it is unknown just say so.
I think that the AKHR has done a great job of that with their open directory. I know there are some blank spots but that is because the necessary information has not been verified.
2. I would expect the registry to keep in touch with owners to keep up to date records on horses too, so they will know when a horses passes away as well. Or if they have been sold.
The CKMR makes a point of keeping in touch with it's members through a number of ways. This helps to ensure that any issues or problems can be dealt with quickly and fairly.
3. I do not think an annual or bi/annual questionnaire of what horses sold or passed away to keep records up to date I unreasonable for members to fill out.
I am not aware of any registry that does that but I like the idea of keeping in touch with members and requiring them to participate.
4. Besides that I think the registry should be a promoter of the breed.
I agree, in order to help it's members, it should be prepared to support them and encourage them to get out there by creating the proper opportunities.
5. How they go about that should be in a business like manner playing no favorites and I hate to say a horse is a product but they must promote the breed like it is "all that and a bag of Chips".
Great point Tiffany, professionalism should be one of the most important issues for a registry. Thanks for your comments.
Kelly
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Post by nrly on Jul 22, 2008 6:55:33 GMT -5
as I read this after my post I thought yes this would be wonderful. but am afraid it will not happen.. But I sure hope it does because it is this breed that gets hurt...
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Post by canadiankigers on Aug 1, 2008 9:08:10 GMT -5
Nola:
You stated "yes this would be wonderful, but am afraid it will not happen." Can you explain further what you mean by not happen? Most of what Tiffany commented on is already happening. Am I misunderstanding what you are saying??? I must be having one of those blond moments. LOL!!!!!!
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Post by nrly on Aug 1, 2008 11:23:20 GMT -5
everyone being together on what Kigers are, one registry here in the USA, and if there are others then make them a sister registry, with one main data base for all the horse's. No color requirements, no inspectors, cause that tends to be a sticky point for some... but do the DNA, and such... board members need to be elected, and each kiger owner has 1 vote and only one vote, no hiding files (some have complained about that) all records to be available to kiger owners, but only for certain reasons, like breeding, genetics what ever... just want to see it all equal to and for everyone... this is what I was referring to when I said it won't happen, because it seems ego's get in the way of getting this all in shape to help the Kigers... When it does it will be wonderful... Do you really seeing ego's being let go of for the good of this breed? I really do not, and that is so sad that I feel like that....
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Post by canadiankigers on Aug 1, 2008 12:36:38 GMT -5
Nola:
Those are some great points!!! Speaking strictly for the CKMR, I can't see use joining an amalgamation for two reasons. First, until ALL found blood is removed as we will not condone an entity that supported them and two, we like our independence, it allows use to support the ethical issues without compromising our goals. Perhaps some day in the future we will have an agreement but until then, it is about ethics and morals, not ego for the CKMR. Thanks for your comments, they really get down to what is important!!!
Kelly
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Post by toucan on Aug 1, 2008 22:07:23 GMT -5
Nola: Those are some great points!!! Speaking strictly for the CKMR, I can't see use joining an amalgamation for two reasons. First, until ALL found blood is removed as we will not condone an entity that supported them and two, we like our independence, it allows use to support the ethical issues without compromising our goals. Perhaps some day in the future we will have an agreement but until then, it is about ethics and morals, not ego for the CKMR. Thanks for your comments, they really get down to what is important!!! Kelly Maybe it's the blonde in that comes in my bottle, but I'm confused by this reply. Nola's reply was understandable plus she stated that she was speaking for a registry in the USA, others, would at best be sister registries. So I guess I understand the first view on found blood in your reply Kelly. After all when the CKMR discovered found blood in their stock they instituted the partial blood category. Registery "higher ups" , sorry, I haven't pieced who's who together yet, have since sold off horses with questionable bloodlines from what I've gathered. So two, you like your independence. Great!!!! So why not do what the Europeans have done with the Tennessee Walking Horse. Use the name, but hold it to your own standards without involving the US registeries?? They could give a squat what the TWHBEA does or says. Might want to study this as a productive means for the CKMR. What I would like clarification on is the ethic and morals comment. What ethics issues without comprise are you speaking? Assuming the CKMR is a stand alone registry I would assume that your terminology "ethic issues without compromise" was not an inference to the USA registries struggle with outside blood , color, dna etc. These are issues that seperate the two orginal registries but "ethic issues" needs defined please. |
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Post by nrly on Aug 2, 2008 8:05:33 GMT -5
from all that I read since I have owned a Kiger, and it has not been long, I get the drift of what she is saying. ethic is correct, but I do not feel she has to go into deep detail unless she wants.but let me ask you this not to cause a riff jut to as for an opinion:
1) if a horse is sold as a Kiger, but it is not a kiger but a found horse, is that not unethical? See I I saw it and have posted about it to me it is fraud,
2) also if I am correct and I hope I am CKMR is independent, and has corrected that issue with in their own registry... but I could be wrong... forgive me Kelly if I over stepped, and spoke out of place...
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Post by canadiankigers on Aug 2, 2008 10:30:19 GMT -5
I did NOT mean to start a war and I apologize to every board member for any inconvenience that my post may have caused you.
Tucan, in response to your post, yes when we discovered that we had purchased partial blood Kigers, we immediately removed them from full blood status and placed them in a partial blood status. That is what my use of the word ethical was referring to. The CKMR does not “involve” any US Kiger registry, we stand alone here in Canada as a registry entity for all Canadians to register their Kiger horses. That is not to say that we do not register US Kigers, infact we have about 35% of US Kigers in the CKMR at present and more every day. As for my reference of “ethic issues without compromise” you are correct, it was NOT directed in any way to any specific entity, person or organization. It is merely the standard in which the CKMR holds for it'self as well as it's members.
Nola, you have NOT overstepped your bounds at all. You are correct in what you posted. I agree with your comment “1) if a horse is sold as a Kiger, but it is not a kiger but a found horse, is that not unethical? See I I saw it and have posted about it to me it is fraud.” Representing any breed of horse incorrectly is to me unethical! You are also correct in your second statement, the CKMR has corrected the issue within our registry.
When we decided to adjust the standing of our partial blood Kigers and go public with it, a lot of nasty comments and nasty emails landed in our email box, but I expected nothing less. Doing the right thing is often the hardest thing, but we do not regret it and will maintain our open and informative policy to anyone who wants to know the true standing of our horses.
Kelly
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Post by nrly on Sept 13, 2008 4:06:13 GMT -5
Well Kelly I hope everyone can learn from what you all have accomplished...That would be wonderful to see this breed moving in the right direction and showing the world what they can do...
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Post by angelsdream on Sept 17, 2008 10:01:53 GMT -5
Its so sad to see such a great breed of horse get so much negative attention due to the bickering back and forth about registries. This is truly a wonderful breed of horse that deserves one great registry to promote them. I don't really like to discuss this matter because it's the same song and dance everytime and nothing gets resoved. You hear the same issues brought up every time - it's so tiring and a waste of time. Until you agree to disagree and let the past be the past (since you sure cant change what happened) and look to the future, there's no need talking about it.
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