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Post by nrly on Jan 21, 2008 20:36:41 GMT -5
I hope someone can answer this question for me: 1) how do I open a Stud Book and do I have to? 2) where do I open it if I have to? 3) how long does it have to be open? & if one is already open on him how do I find out? nola
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Post by DianneC on Jan 22, 2008 12:43:52 GMT -5
Hey Nola, A stud book is where a registry keeps all the written information on the registered horses and their ancestry, their parents, grandparents etc. So most of the Spanish horses can trace their lines back to the late middle ages. You could look at it and see that a horse you admire and want to breed to has the same lines that your horse has. Some people like that and many do not. It has been a great resource when some genetic problem has come up. They can trace the problem to one particular sire and make sure not to breed to that line. If the Kiger is to move forward and become part of the Iberian breeds, which would bring a lot of recognition, then somehow we need to have an open (written, anyone can view it) studbook and dna testing on all our registered horses. The dna testing just shows that who the sire and dam are supposed to be actually are the sire and dam. It needs to happen NOW while the horses are still living since hair is used to test for dna. Once these horses die then all their get can not be traced back to the original herds and would quite possibly not be eligible for inclusion in an association with Iberian breeds.
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Post by kigerfan on Jan 22, 2008 13:03:42 GMT -5
Can the hair sample be cut and stored until such time as this open stud book is put together?
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Post by toucan on Jan 22, 2008 13:17:05 GMT -5
If the Kiger is to move forward and become part of the Iberian breeds, which would bring a lot of recognition, then somehow we need to have an open (written, anyone can view it) studbook and dna testing on all our registered horses
DianneC,
I think you are confusing what an open studbook is. An open studbook normally means that the registry is still accepting outside blood. An example of this would be the APHA, APHC and AQHA. They currently or in the past have had open studbooks. This means stallions or mares with outside blood ie) QH stallion to Paint mare , are eligible for full or appendix registry. A similar openning allowed Arab and QH blood into the APHC in the past.
What you want is a viewble studbook for the general public and/or members. Thar's different than an open studbook.
Stephanie
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Post by DianneC on Jan 22, 2008 13:19:17 GMT -5
You're right, I was thinking of the wrong thing. Nola, the hair has to be pulled so their is the root bulb attached. They can store in dry conditions for a period of time but must be protected, in an envelope or something to prevent contamination.
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Post by toucan on Jan 22, 2008 13:21:05 GMT -5
Can the hair sample be cut and stored until such time as this open stud book is put together?
They are not cut. They are pulled. You must have the entire root shaft in tact from the mane and tail hairs. Numerous shafts are required. So yes, you could pull and save I suppose.
Stephanie
edited for spelling!
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Post by Michelle Clarke on Jan 22, 2008 15:20:35 GMT -5
Everyone who breeds, does maintain a stud book so to speak, especially if you own a stallion. In other countries a Stud is a ranch or facility that has a breeding operation. You have to maintain records in order to keep track of breeding, bloodlines, etc. Yes, registries also maintain one for the benefit of bloodlines and for members.
Many Studs also maintain papers with their own stock. This is proof of pedigree and an easy reference for the breeder or especially if something happens to the breeder, there is a way to track information. There are many studs that have a couple dozen stallions and breed hundreds of mares, so you better belive they have their own stud books....it does not have to be registered anywhere, it is a way of keeping information on your program.
I have seen a few breeding farms in which the breeder has passed away, and they have dozens of horses with no way to know which horse is which or the bloodlines - it is a big mess. I even put an updated picture on our Ranch papers.
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Post by nrly on Jan 22, 2008 15:21:00 GMT -5
Dianne. thank you, I am sending a hair sample off to UC Davis on both my Kigers, even though i have their information and pictures of their parents. I know when we bred our Paint the owner of the stud opened a stud book with APHA, so i was wondering since their are so many Kiger Registries, and I myself never had to do a stud book, where do I go, and I was taught in school no question is a stupid question just stupid remarks can be had,and so I never expected such remarks from others,so if you can answer those questions for me thank you, if not it is ok. nola
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Post by Michelle Clarke on Jan 22, 2008 15:25:42 GMT -5
Since I do not belong to any Kiger registries so to speak, I am wondering if breeders are required to submit a Stallion Report each year? A Stallion report is a record of each mare bred to the stallion, her info and what dates.
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Post by kigerfan on Jan 22, 2008 15:49:13 GMT -5
Okay, I had a duhhhh moment I know you have to get the whole hair. Just had a brain fart, felt the breeze out my ears Thanks for correcting me
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Post by kigerfan on Jan 22, 2008 15:54:32 GMT -5
Nola, I'm thinking it would be a fab idea to keep a book on Riddle, who he breeds with, dates etc. I know there is fraud in every facet of life so why not in the horse world, Lord knows it is in this too. Keep a book for your own safety sake so you know what mares bred to Riddle, live birth, not live birth, etc etc etc. Probably not only smart but prudent
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Post by spanishsagegrullas on Jan 22, 2008 15:54:44 GMT -5
Michelle, I have a few seconds on break at work so I can answer this easily --
I know that KMA requires a stud report at the end of each year, a horse cannot be registered if the dam is not listed on the stud report, and they just passed a further requirement that ALL horses need to prove parentage via DNA, not just the ones proposed to be breeding stock.
These requirements are in my mind the strongest aspect of KMA.
KHAR might also require this, but I do know that Jillian and Norm have been out of town for a few days so they might best answer later.
Diane P. Spanish Sage Ranch
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