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Post by Michelle Clarke on Mar 9, 2008 9:06:17 GMT -5
 Pat, my dear Pat. You have sold out. While I have nothing but respect for you and Linda, I cannot fathom why in Gods' green earth you had to invent a contraption like this. You are a great horseman, one of which does not NEED a bridle much less a bit and can teach those of us that are ignorant without the use of one either....  ___________ Not only does this gadget completely trap the horses head and mouth from every angle, but it seems as though it has a gag affect. Click on the different bits to see more of the insanity...speaking of insanity - you can have the whole setup for $379! www.parelli.com/product.faces?productId=235Gotta hand it to them though...people always like new crap that is gonna be the Miracle Cure for thier horses bad behavior and thier lack of training! Looks like a glorified gag bit to me... |
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Post by stlkigers on Mar 9, 2008 10:22:18 GMT -5
Well, I'm sure his PR machine will make it a huge success....Everyone has to admit, whether they like him or not, he has the slickest running operation around! It looks like a gag bit "improvement" to me to...... and you know there are those people out there that try to cure their horses bad behaviors by getting a new improved bit instead of evaluating what's really the underlying cause to the behavior.....
I have a friend that's getting one of his saddles for her Rocky Mtn horse.....I can't wait to sit in it and feel what it's like....though I'm sure it's very nice I don't ride enough hours per week to justify that expense....but hey I'm thrilled for this friend...She went back to school at 45 to become an BSN and she's due a cool present like that....
Angela
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Post by nrly on Mar 9, 2008 15:02:35 GMT -5
can someone look at the Mikmar bit and give me their opinion.
mikmar.com, brooks QT horse ranch in California endorses it ,i looked at it and was wondering about it. is it a gag causing bit or do you all feel it does what they say teaches proper collection.Cuts your training down 6 months, so please let me know what you think. I do not know enough about bits to make a judgment call.
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Post by stlkigers on Mar 9, 2008 23:38:11 GMT -5
Nola: My first reaction to their site was not good....they sure do have some high ports....I'm not a huge fan from what I see but judge for yourself...Here's some articles for you. I ran into some postings about them at: www.horseadvice.com/horse/messages/7/19403.htmlMark Rashid's view on a tom thumb: www.markrashid.com/trouble_with_tom_thumb.htmwww.redwrench.com/mischorse/bits/severity.htmI know the severity article above has helped me to evaluate bits I see out and about.....Hopefully someone can give you a good 2 cents on what they think about the bits you mentioned....Oh and Mark Rashid does have a snaffle he really likes on his website....I've heard good things about it.... Angela |
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Post by nrly on Mar 10, 2008 0:17:19 GMT -5
thanks Angela, I read some of it, will not go that route either, just need to learn myself, and teach my horse's. All in all they are really not problem horse's. Just me, i am the problem I feel.
Nola
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Post by Michelle Clarke on Mar 10, 2008 7:57:51 GMT -5
Nola, the only thing that teaches proper collection is a lot of training, balancing and suppling exercises and knowledge. There is NO WAY a bit can ever ever ever ever ever get your horse collected. Please don't be fooled and buy into that garbage! I was interested in some of the stuff that guy from Russia was toting, but his idea of collection is to put a rope around thier neck and tug on it until the flex thier head...silly!
Just because a horse flexes thier neck does not mean it has anything to do with collection. A horses' head is utilized for balance within movement. When you begin to work on the hindend working through to the front end, the head/neck will be placed where the horse needs it for balance. If the human tries to set the head where they think it needs to go, then the horse will make many compensations physically. Dropping the back, hind end traveling out behind and legs pumping up and down instead of going forward.
The horse should get round from the back to front, not the other way around. A snaffle (meaning shankless bit, hopefully with one or two joints in the mouth), works on the corners of the mouth to bend laterally. This bit is utilized for many years in teaches the horse to round laterally (being able to supple the horse in the four body regions laterally any way you wish, any time you wish and any gait you wish). Only when the horse masters these exercises can he become round from head to tail...horizontally. At this point the hindend will drop with flexion, round the back and lift the front end.
Using a bit to flex the head also will put strain on the shoulders, which is the area in the horse that actually does the moving forward. While the hind end is the motor, the shoulders are the motivator and if you overload them (with equipment, rider position, balance issues, pulling on the reins, etc), you get a horse that gets sour about moving and argumentative. Pretty soon you say "lazy horse" and get a whip or spur and then you are really on the road to problems!
Lots to think about, but it is a trap to think of equipment first.
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Post by nrly on Mar 10, 2008 15:23:42 GMT -5
yes there is allot out there , I am going to learn the proper way to do all this and no short cuts, in the end we both will be better off. thank you all for your input.
nola
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Post by Michelle Clarke on Mar 10, 2008 19:01:17 GMT -5
Nola, you are going to do great with your horses! You have a desire to learn and that is half the battle!!
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Post by nrly on Mar 10, 2008 23:28:07 GMT -5
Last night Stormy scared me, she was lethargic would not touch her hay, she was awesome before. I ran her Flashy and myself in the paddock, for about 10 mins. straight, then I let her and Flashy alone to cool down roll what ever, for about 20 mins, then brought them in Jim groomed flashy and I did Stormy, and it took me about 45 mins to do it all. I take my time it is my time to bond with her. Walked her to her stall. After that she was just not herself. But today she was fine and full of it. We did not feed her this morning, but we did this afternoon. after I worked her slowly this afternoon.and groomed her. allot of words for this question? I have started her on Strategy, and am cutting back on her hay, and removing her pelletts, could this change cause this. Today it was like it never happened.
nola
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Post by DianneC on Mar 10, 2008 23:40:03 GMT -5
Was she pooping? Sounds like a touch of colic. how much hay is she still getting? and how much Strategy? They need the roughage from hay so its their base of nutrition and changes should be made slowly when adding grain.
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Post by nrly on Mar 11, 2008 17:12:35 GMT -5
yes she poo'd and the flake use to be 2 flakes 2 times a day, it is single flake 2 times a day. her strategy is 1 pound, bran 3 pounds, I think i worked her to hard and it has turned rather warm. she is in good spirits now .
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