Geronimo ("Charro")

[stlkigers]

Michelle:

The mare Marvilloso, is that the Mars that the Fournier's owned? If so, do you know what ever happened to her?

Angela

[Michelle Clarke]

Yes, it was. I am not sure where she is now. I tried to buy her back about four years ago now, but she is still pretty wild and I would not have been able to AI her without alot of work. She had some other issues at the time that would have been a problem. I did email them in fall to see if they still had her as I would still be interested now, but did not hear back from them.

[fantasykiger]

Wild Mars I remember her. I met her on a visit at the Fourniers. She was still pretty wild, but Pam spoke of her fondly. It was 4 yrs ago, now that I think of it. Next time I see them I will ask what became of her.

[stlkigers]

Tiffany:

Thanks.....I appreciate that....I'd love to know what became of her.....

Angela

[nrly]

Michelle
If stormy was bred to Charro, what would in all likely hood be the color of her foal. I was wondering if like brown eyes in us are more dominate which color between them could be more dominate. I am curious.

[Michelle Clarke]

Nola, Stormy is black based (grulla), but also has the agouti (bay//dun). Charro is black based (grullo), carries no agouti (cannot make dun color without the mare having agouti), but hides a recessive red. If Stormy also hides a red, there is a slight chance for red dun; if she does not, then you have 75% chance of grullo - 25% chance of dun...no red dun.

[nrly]

awe cool thank you for explaining it to me. I really would love a grullo they are awesome looking. was told she has the red gene.

[spanishsagegrullas]

Actually, it is the Agouti (A) that determines whether you have a grulla or a zebra dun (otherwise known as a bay-based dun.) If Geronimo/Charro has aa (which he would have to have since he is grulla), but Stormy has AA, there would be no chance for a grulla, because Stormy would have nothing to pass on to her foals but the dominant Agouti gene, which creates the bay.

The Agouti gene restricts black pigmented hair to just the points of the horses, legs, mane, and tail. Thus, bay horses are still black based.

The E gives allows the hairs to be colored black. e, the recessive form of E, prevents any black hairs from being produced, and therefore you have a red horse.

An ee, a red horse, can still carry a dominant Agouti (A) but since there is no ability to produce black, one cannot see whether the dominant gene is carried or not.

The best way to tell whether you can have a grulla or not when you are breeding a bay based dun to a grulla is to do a color test and test for the red/black, and agouti. I don't think it is too expensive. You can get the test done at UCDavis www.vgl.ucd.edu, I think.

Diane P.

[canadiankigers]

Michelle:

I have two questions about the Geronimo line.

1. We own Bit O Honey (dun) who is out of Kiger Sierra Myst (a Grulla daughter of Geronimo). We bred Shelby (a Grullo) to Honey twice so far and got a grulla filly the first time and a red dun colt the second time. What are the odds of getting a dun foal from her and Shelby? (Yes, I believe that Shelby hides a red gene in there as he has also thrown Doc Holiday (red dun) and Baby (red dun sabino Arab cross)

2. We bought Kiger Sierra Myst which is by Geronimo and out of Kiger Quail. We bought her bred to Casper (Greybank) What are the odds for color on this foal?

[Michelle Clarke]

You can only get red when each parent has at least one recessive red gene (two reds always make a red...). If you have already gotten a red with Shelby, then he does carry a recessive red, as does Honey. You still have a good chance of getting a dun, as Honey could throw the agouti on a black based foal.

When you have one grey parent bred to a colored parent, you have a 50% chance of color, 50% grey.

[canadiankigers]

Michelle:

Thanks for the clarification on the red gene. We will be breeding him to Charo's daughter next spring so it will be interesting to see what color the foal is. Do you know what genes she may have to contribute to the foal?

Do you also know if Charro carries a recessive red gene? What other factors does he carry/throw?

Kelly