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Post by gotkiger on Oct 8, 2011 17:38:07 GMT -5
Hey i didnt mean to start a fight here.
If you go onto the kiger kraze list of kigers up for adoption there are a number of them that appear to be similar to the same color of Frodo.
and that little guy is cute!!!
Michelle - do you have any pictures of Troy and how he turned out so far? If i remember correctly he started out similar to the color of Frodo but i never really saw pictures of his markings.
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Post by grullagirl on Oct 9, 2011 7:35:14 GMT -5
Frodo looks like a bay dun to me with a possible sooty gene. Your right gotkiger Frodo and Troy were a similar color when they were born. I think Troy is slightly lighter but i'm not totally sure. By the way i thought they already developed a test for the dun gene or was that just for homozygosity or heterozygosity? I love the little colt to he's just adorable!
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Post by Michelle Clarke on Oct 9, 2011 9:36:16 GMT -5
Dino?!?!?! Kimberlee, you are going to step in a rabbit hole here. Tread softly. I do believe you may need a new monitor.
I'll post picts of Troy when I get home.
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Post by barbhorses on Oct 9, 2011 14:21:12 GMT -5
Michelle, I already went through a thread about a year ago discussing Dino. My opinion hasn't changed of what I think his color is. "Tread softly". Geesh! You act like I am saying bad things about his conformation and disposition instead of talking about color! Color should not incite such ill feelings and remarks. It is discussed in peace on other boards as color doesn't make the horse! It is just the icing on the cake.
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Post by gotkiger on Oct 9, 2011 18:53:29 GMT -5
Thanks Michelle, I cant wait to see pictures of Troy
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Post by lwood92 on Oct 10, 2011 7:38:40 GMT -5
From michelle:
Honestly I just get worn out from you throwing out snide remarks here and there and I think you do it to get things riled up. Now you are on facebook Kiger groups starting there. Isn't there enough going on in the sulpher world to keep you busy?
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Post by duvers on Oct 10, 2011 23:14:43 GMT -5
bullhunky Kimberlee.... It would be nice if you took all of your infinite wisdom back to the sulphur folks and stopped coming on here slamming Kigers and kiger folks. Hey! Just have to chime in. :-). I too have Sulphurs, but have a solid appreciation for Kigers. Please don't judge all Sulphur folks so quickly or think that we're all bad b/c you disagree with what she has to say. FWIW, Kimberlee has "California Vaquero Horses", I believe. A very special type of Sulphur. (I *think* I'm representing her views correctly). Regarding Frodo, I first thought he was bay, but now that you posted photos of some of his markings, I can see that he might have dun factor. I'm not an expert, though. If it were me, I'd contact UC Davis to have them do a dun zygosity test ($50) & go with whatever they determine. |
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Post by stormyranch on Oct 11, 2011 8:14:26 GMT -5
I don't care what Kimberlie thinks. I know what I know. I would never think badly of other Sulphur horse folks just because of Kimberlie.
Gotkiger; you did not start a fight her. It should be a healthy discussion, but some people are just immature.
Lisa
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Post by gotkiger on Oct 11, 2011 11:08:44 GMT -5
Lisa - I am confused on why Frodo was compared to Dino Isnt he a Dun? I have looked for pictures that would show his markings but I couldnt find them. Would you mind posting some or sending me a PM with them.
and i know this is totally off subject but arent Sulfers from Utah? So why would they be called California Vaquero Horses if they arentfrom that area? That would be like calling a Rocky Mountain Horse a California Fancy Brown
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Post by fantasykiger on Oct 11, 2011 11:26:54 GMT -5
gotkiger... Dino' is most definately a dun. Anyone one who meets meets him knows there is no question. There were some bay/dun as they called them at the adoption as well. That dark dun shade with great dorsal stripes, it is very striking.
The sooty gene on buckskin is the only one that can throw me off and make me think dun, when it is not. Certain times of year they clearly look as though they have nice thick dorsals, but once they shed it disappears. I have a friend I ride with that has a Mustang of that type.
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Post by duvers on Oct 11, 2011 13:30:17 GMT -5
and i know this is totally off subject but arent Sulfers from Utah? So why would they be called California Vaquero Horses if they arentfrom that area? That would be like calling a Rocky Mountain Horse a California Fancy Brown Gotkiger- I think Kimberlee is the only one who can answer this question or explain the distinction between a Sulphur & her sub-group of California Vaquero Horse. I simply call mine Sulphurs and, yes, their HMA is in Utah. I think her contention is that they ended up in Utah by way of California, but I would hate to mis-represent her views. |
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Post by gotkiger on Oct 11, 2011 16:35:14 GMT -5
got it ... now back onto my beautiful colt Frodo, lol
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Post by stormyranch on Oct 11, 2011 18:30:06 GMT -5
GotKiger; Kimberlie says that Dino is a bay even thought she has never seen him in person. Dino is a coper Dun.   |
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Post by DianneC on Oct 11, 2011 21:01:02 GMT -5
The sooty gene on dun is a little different than on some other colors. Its more like a liver chestnut in that it adds back black all over the horse. With buckskins and bays it tends to be along the topline more with lighter color near the belly - this is countershading - the sooty gene without the dun gene. Having a very sooty grulla (verified by the HMA registry inspectors) and watching his kids grow up and change color when they shed out their baby coats I can spot sooty pretty easily. Dino has a gold color to his coat that is really beautiful. He has a definite "eel stripe" with hard edges that is not from sooty/countershading alone (soft edges). Kimberlee is just quoting other people she has read and using it to rile things up as Michelle says. There are those "experts" on the internet who say that if they don't have a light coat they can't be dun but are sooty - with countershading. What they don't understand is that you can have both a sooty gene AND a dun gene at the same time. Frodo has the dark cheeks that is characteristic of the sooty gene. His leg markings are dun leg stripes, although his black stockings may go higher with age. The fuzziness of his dorsal stripe near the tail may be the way his hair was laying or a little dirt, but it is definitely an eel stripe in the middle of his back, something that countershading cannot produce. With all the darker stallions put back on the Kiger HMA there will be lots and lots of sooty duns and grullas in the years to come.
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Post by mystickiger on Oct 11, 2011 21:20:00 GMT -5
I think Kimberlee is the only one who can answer this question or explain the distinction between a Sulphur & her sub-group of California Vaquero Horse.
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Boy you got that right Duvers. BTW, I certainly don't and doubt anyone on this board judges Sulphers or Sulpher folks based on Kimberlee's post.
Now back to Dino and Frodo. Over the years on the internet I have wained back and forth with my thoughts as to whether or not Dino was a dark copper dun or a bay. Having seen him this past weekend in person, I can unequivacially say he is a beautiful dun. Such a sweet, calm stallion. From the pictures I've seen of Frodo, I would say he too is a dark dun.
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