cross registering Kigers

[barbhorses]

Again, no personal attack was made on the Kiger for what it is. A question was asked Angelsdream and so being that I knew the answer I thought that it might be kind of me to answer honestly. Perhaps I should have just sent it via private message so as to not offend others, but that is a little late now! The Quarter Horse has Spanish markers, but is not Spanish by breed. So yes, frequency of Spanish markers does = how Spanish a horse is. Although, you cannot quantify by how much (ie put it in a percent). Also, the placement in breed groups and an overall look at the whole picture of the horses DNA is useful when at least 25 horses from that group are used in the study. Looking at one horse will not tell the whole picture for that one breed.

I forgot to answer in response to Michelle on mtDNA. I wasn't speaking about mtDNA as that would only be the icing on the cake in regards to also having the Iberian mtDNA pattern accompanied with a genetic report that places them in the Iberian breed group. Placement in the Iberian breed group looks at the whole picture, not just the lineage of the dam (aka Spanish markers).

[fantasykiger]

personally if I was considering cross registering I would choose a color registery..alot less controversy. They plenty to offer and you can compete against other breeds as well

[Michelle Clarke]

So, wait....the whole thing here is that Kigers are not considered a Spanish "breed"? Well, spank my butt and call me Rhonda!

The Kiger is a Spanish influenced modern breed - IMO. I hardly would say that Kigers are an old ancient spanish breed that has survived in purity through the ages. As I DOUBT that any breeds really are nowadays, especially any feral mustang - no matter what the "opinions" of the experts say, albeit how educated said experts are. As Kim said, tests have changed...

They have many of the spanish markers, including the Lusitano (which is another modern breed). I whole heartedly agree with Angel...they are what they are, Spanish influence and all. period. amen sister.

[DianneC]

You're not making sense to me Barbhorses, "Any Spanish influenced breed or horse will have Spanish markers." So what is the difference between having Spanish markers and being a Spanish influenced breed? We're not say they are pure, unadulterated Spanish, although I've read one foolish website that DOES say that. We've seen too that they prefer their own "kind" rather than mix with others if given the choice. But these horses were wild for who knows how many years, maybe 100-150. Heck, until the mid 1800's all the wild horses were Spanish. But other spanish mustangs in the US have had the same amount of time to mingle with other horses. I guess I'm not impressed with your logic.

[DianneC]

Brandy107 - You might check out the ABRA at www.americanbuckskin.org/ I know that Cowboy is registered there and won the grand championship in division, Western Riding.

[barbhorses]

Diane, from what I understand, Dr. Cothran looks at frequency of Spanish markers as well as to certain markers being present to distinguish Spanish influenced from Spanish breed.

Michelle, I am with you on that! The ancient Iberian breed in its pure form is GONE. What is left are Spanish horses by breed that vary due to the breeding habits of the people that bred them, the wild, time, how much outside influence is present and what breeds or types of horses influenced them, etc. All of those things make a difference in the resulting horse. We also have the many differing Spanish influenced breeds and their variety of type and and degree of Spanish influence. The Spanish horse has certainly brought us many amazing different breeds!

Diane, you really don't want to get me started on the logic of Spanish Mustang people! That is a whole other can of worms! lol