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Post by kigerfan on Feb 3, 2008 23:26:35 GMT -5
www.thestableizer.com/Has anyone heard of this? Comments? Looks mighty uncomfortable to me. I'm not considering it, just ran across it in my surfing and wondered about it. It doesn't look terribly humane to me.
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Post by sonrisa98 on Feb 4, 2008 0:21:06 GMT -5
oh my, why would anyone use that.
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Post by DianneC on Feb 4, 2008 1:52:56 GMT -5
Hmph, its a lip chain device. I had someone tell me once that a lip chain (under the upper lip across the gums) released endorphins and they had me use it to hold Smoke while they clipped him. It hurt him so much that he jumped and landed on my foot. Last time I believed the releases endorphins lie. Has anyone else visited horsesforlife.com? They have a lot to say about training and using pain. |
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Post by Michelle Clarke on Feb 4, 2008 9:22:07 GMT -5
Folks actually use that when riding too! I remember over 10 years ago, Eric was at a horse fest doing demos and the guy had a booth with a horse in it right outside the barn where our booth was. The whole weekend when Eric would walk by and the guy was doing his grand demos, Eric would stop and ask questions pertaining to the cruelty and pain of it so the folks standing around would not buy into his pitch. He got to where he stopped talking when Eric showed up!
Endorphins can only be released when the horses head is below the withers. The snapses in the nervous system open up one way to let endorphins move through the system. When the head is above the withers, the snapses open the other way and let adrenaline into the system....so while there is a pressure point for endorphin release, it must be used in conjuction with the head down and the horse calm; otherwise, you are just causing pain, like Dianne said.
Horses for Life is one of the best on-line mags.....!
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Post by nrly on Feb 4, 2008 10:58:17 GMT -5
wow when I saw it i was sad, to think people really buy this stuff and think it works, then wonder why their horse's act up. if your hand is on a hot stove you pull it off, same with a horse hurting they pull away from the hurt. make the idiot who invented it wear it and let us pull on it, oh and gag him so he cant talk.
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Post by kigerfan on Feb 4, 2008 13:30:35 GMT -5
I just imagine having someone do that to me and that's enough to make me cringe. I have to imagine their gums are just as sensitive as ours. I would imagine that contraption would be a head shy halter and bridle fighting horse in the making.
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Post by fantasykiger on Feb 4, 2008 16:27:15 GMT -5
I actually bought one. I saw it at Horse Expo' saw it demonstrated just like you mentioned with a guy starting a colt. I was at my wits end with Fantasy who was still fighting the farrier every 8 weeks to get trimmed. Talking sweet to her, going slow, twitching her and even an occasionly kick in the belly she still would fight with every trim session. She started getting trims at age 3 mths and every 8weeks after that for the rest of her life at age 4 is probably when I saw the stabileizer at the expo'. I was surprised my farrier had not given' up on Fantasy at this point, but he always hung in there. I was willing to try anything, I purchased the Stabileizer and to be honest it worked like a charm the first time. Then it was a fight to get it on after that by ther 3rd trim session with the Stabileizer on Fantasy was back to fighting with the farrier. I tossed it in the garbage. I have sense learned gadgets don't work of any kind. I refuse to use gadgets on my horses. Fantasy has taught me much. When she turned 7 yrs old she decided farriers were OK and has never fought sense.
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Post by sonrisa98 on Feb 4, 2008 19:15:19 GMT -5
my BLM Mustang would fight for her feet too. She'd lay down on you, rear up and lunge forward, it was horrible. Then I realized it was a trust issue and we worked on that. She's really good now, but it took a couple of years to get her to this point. Even my 8 yr old daughter will pick up her feet to clean them with no problems. I would never use a tool of any kind to get a horse to behave, they don't think that way and they don't work.
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Post by stlkigers on Feb 5, 2008 0:00:56 GMT -5
The stableizer thing reminds me of some of those horrific looking bits I've seen....And the people that buy them, looking for a quick fix....some of the worst ones I see around here are specifically targeted for barrel horses....makes me cringe just looking at them....
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Post by DianneC on Feb 6, 2008 0:56:55 GMT -5
Horses for Life had an article about using pain to train. They said something that made such good sense to me. If you use pain you may get the right response but it will not be from the thinking part of the brain, but from the fearful, instinctive part of the brain.
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Post by fantasykiger on Feb 6, 2008 12:44:36 GMT -5
You are absolutely correct DianneC it is all about taking advantage of the reactive side of the brain. Now a days horse training has taken a differant turn with more trainers working with the thinking side of the brain rather then the reactive.
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Post by kigerfan on Feb 6, 2008 16:16:07 GMT -5
I don't want my baby to fear me, I want her to come to me, to look to me, to believe me to be her protector not her advisary. It takes more time and patience to train to the thinking side sometimes, I think in the long run you get a more stable more rounded happier horse that will think out situations rather than reacting without thought. In the long run, you may save your own life by the way your horse reacts to something.
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