Post by sbutter on Sept 2, 2009 19:16:11 GMT -5
I have always wondered what I kiger pedigree looks like, but this is what I am used to with the TBs.
This is the El Corredor colt that is in our consignment at the Barrets sale in October
To tell what a good pedigree looks like, we look for several things (there is a lot, but I will break it down to a couple things). Whenever it says "By", it is referring to the sire. So, the sire is at the top of the page. For a good sire, we look for a couple of indicators. For every crop of racing age a good stallion should have at least 2 stakes winners (a higher caliber race) and then should have at least 2 million per crop. If it is a young stallion, we can be a little forgiving, but not much. In this case El Corredor has 5 crops and 15 black type winners (stakes winners). So he has an average of 3 stakes winners per crop, that is pretty good. The have earned him over 16 million, so again, he is doing well.
The colt in question has a young family, which is indicated by the "1st dam" (Publicity Shy). That is okay as long as the second dam is strong. Usually we want the whole first page to be just the 1st dam.
Now we will look at the 2nd dam, which would be the grandmother of the colt in question. Oh No It's You did not do much, but her foals have done well. Whenever you see a name in bold that means it is a stakes horse. Which means that the horse placed in a stakes race, but did not win. If it is bold and all letters capitalized, that means the horse is a stakes winner. Right under the 2nd dam there is a double line that extends downward, any horse that is on that line is the 2nd dam's offspring. As you can see Fancy Prancer is a daughter. Under Fancy Prancer, there is a single line with three horses, those horses are Fancy Prancer's offspring. What is exciting for us, is we told our client to breed the Publicity Shy to Jump Start, because when her full sister (both are by Bertrando) was bred to Jump Start, she produced 2 staked winners. So the chance of the cross working is very high.
This filly is ours.
We would say that her sire (Marino Marini) is weak, but when we bred Cute Move to him, it was up in the air, since no one really new what he would throw.
The 1st dam is Cute Move and almost the whole entire page is first dam with black type in it. If there is no black type on the page it is a weak pedigree. Cute Move has produced 2 stakes winners and 3 stakes horses and a total of 9 winners out of 11 horses. So, the chances are high that the filly can run. From this pedigree alone, people will look at her as a broodmare even if she can't run.
Here is a picture of her and her 3 year old full sibling.
As far as terminology goes, a half sibling is only if the horse is out of the same dam. It is not the same if it is the same sire, because a stallion can have more than 1000 babies. So, it will slim it down to about ten horses and is less confusing. The term "out of" refers to the dam. A foal cannot be "out of" a stallion. So, Cut the Cuteness is out of Cute Move, not Cut Throat (the sire). "c" is colt, "f" is filly, "g" is gelding and "s" is stallion or sire.
So, there is a small lesson today. I wouldn't mind if the kiger pedigree looked like that someday even if it just listed the foals and who they are by and what they have been doing or known for. It doesn't have to list how much they earn, since I don't think that is relevant (at least at this point) with kigers.
This is the El Corredor colt that is in our consignment at the Barrets sale in October
To tell what a good pedigree looks like, we look for several things (there is a lot, but I will break it down to a couple things). Whenever it says "By", it is referring to the sire. So, the sire is at the top of the page. For a good sire, we look for a couple of indicators. For every crop of racing age a good stallion should have at least 2 stakes winners (a higher caliber race) and then should have at least 2 million per crop. If it is a young stallion, we can be a little forgiving, but not much. In this case El Corredor has 5 crops and 15 black type winners (stakes winners). So he has an average of 3 stakes winners per crop, that is pretty good. The have earned him over 16 million, so again, he is doing well.
The colt in question has a young family, which is indicated by the "1st dam" (Publicity Shy). That is okay as long as the second dam is strong. Usually we want the whole first page to be just the 1st dam.
Now we will look at the 2nd dam, which would be the grandmother of the colt in question. Oh No It's You did not do much, but her foals have done well. Whenever you see a name in bold that means it is a stakes horse. Which means that the horse placed in a stakes race, but did not win. If it is bold and all letters capitalized, that means the horse is a stakes winner. Right under the 2nd dam there is a double line that extends downward, any horse that is on that line is the 2nd dam's offspring. As you can see Fancy Prancer is a daughter. Under Fancy Prancer, there is a single line with three horses, those horses are Fancy Prancer's offspring. What is exciting for us, is we told our client to breed the Publicity Shy to Jump Start, because when her full sister (both are by Bertrando) was bred to Jump Start, she produced 2 staked winners. So the chance of the cross working is very high.
This filly is ours.
We would say that her sire (Marino Marini) is weak, but when we bred Cute Move to him, it was up in the air, since no one really new what he would throw.
The 1st dam is Cute Move and almost the whole entire page is first dam with black type in it. If there is no black type on the page it is a weak pedigree. Cute Move has produced 2 stakes winners and 3 stakes horses and a total of 9 winners out of 11 horses. So, the chances are high that the filly can run. From this pedigree alone, people will look at her as a broodmare even if she can't run.
Here is a picture of her and her 3 year old full sibling.
As far as terminology goes, a half sibling is only if the horse is out of the same dam. It is not the same if it is the same sire, because a stallion can have more than 1000 babies. So, it will slim it down to about ten horses and is less confusing. The term "out of" refers to the dam. A foal cannot be "out of" a stallion. So, Cut the Cuteness is out of Cute Move, not Cut Throat (the sire). "c" is colt, "f" is filly, "g" is gelding and "s" is stallion or sire.
So, there is a small lesson today. I wouldn't mind if the kiger pedigree looked like that someday even if it just listed the foals and who they are by and what they have been doing or known for. It doesn't have to list how much they earn, since I don't think that is relevant (at least at this point) with kigers.
as the sire and dam are wild.
