Looking for Steens Azure

[dunbnwild]

Michelle, I thought you mentioned she was boarded at your place--if so, please contact me or have her owner contact me, I'm needing any registration info I can about her in order to get my filly out of her registered.

If anyone knows anything about Azure, if she is registered or has DNA somewhere, please contact me asap.

cindy_sorenson (at) hotmail (dot) com

Thanks so much! Cindy

[JoanMRK]

Hi Cindy,

I had looked in to buying her way back when before she moved to Texas from AZ. I know she originally came from the Fournier's and I don't think she was registered KMA at the time because of her one blue eye. I remember talking to Frank Roda about her and he thought she wouldn't be registered because of it... I still have a soft spot for her and wonder where she is now too.

[dunbnwild]

I wasn't told about her blue eye--that's bizarre. I hope that's not true... But now I'm starting to realize why all this registration stuff is so frustrating.

[JoanMRK]

Yeah, she had a blue eye, that's why "Azure." It wasn't like a paint's blue eye (real bright and light) but a deep, dark blue. I had pics once upon a time but I'm afraid they're buried somewhere. I was concerned at the time that it was damaged or that she'd be partially blinde, but as far as I knew, she wasn't.

She may have been registered with the SMKR, but I'm not positive.

[dunbnwild]

Okay-this blue eye thing is bothering me--why is her having a blue eye a problem at all? A quick search of dun and blue eye and there seems to be quite a few connections... not that blue eyes are a dun thing, but part of a creme gene.

Here's just one example and not sure how accurate it is, so color enthusiasts please weigh in--but if this is true, then why on earth would KMA have any issue with Azure's blue eye??:

"True silver grullas may have dark blue eyes (so dark that they look brown from a distance) according to some sources, but I think this is generally true only in the foal's early life. This is because one definition of a silver grullo is a "grullo that also carries a creme gene." The creme gene usually gives the foal blue eyes at birth. "

[JoanMRK]

I'll let someone else comment on the KMA thing - but it wasn't in the "Breed Standard" is all I can say. Just like gray etc... though someone else may give better insight than me.

To comment on the blue eyes in foals thing, I had a colt born who had blue/green eyes for about a year, I thought they were going to stay because they lasted so long. He was a regular zebra dun but out of a grulla mare (Etta.) Interesting quote you found, I hadn't heard about that before.

[DianneC]

If it had been two blue eyes as a youngster it might have been easier, not that I speak for the KMA. But one would have raised questions about the pinto gene.

[dunbnwild]

Last night I was able to talk with KMA about the issue and the person I spoke with seemed very helpful and positive and is going to check it out.

I wonder if at the time it was brought up, and perhaps in the casual context, that the person who felt they wouldn't register her hadn't given it very much thought. So much about genes and color has become common knowledge since then too. IMO, there are too many factors that could be involved--an injury, a creme gene, an anomaly etc... that I don't think one could even say for sure.

As far as I know, Azure doesn't have any white--or if she did it was minimal, neither Lazzy or Lakota (the only two offspring of hers I know of) have any white, or if Lakota does it is minimal/facial. So, I'm feeling more positive that her blue eye shouldn't be an issue.

We'll see...

[barbhorses]

Here is a pic of a buckskin Spanish Mustang with a blue eye. Only white is the blaze down her face (at least from what I can tell. I am thinking that she might also have a sock).

cayuseranch.com/images-09/2009RamblerxIrishMistFilly.jpg

Her mother however is a pinto. Being that there are pinto horses around the Kiger area, maybe Azure has an ancestor that was also a pinto? Who knows!

[nightrider]

Have your Vet take a look at her he/she can tell you if the blue is due to an injury or natural.
George