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Post by kigerfan on Aug 12, 2009 22:07:04 GMT -5
with all of the riding I've done with firefly, I was shocked when she went into a full bucking frenzy, I don't know what happened but I suspect either her cinch might have been pinching her or the new bosal wasn't to her liking. I held on for five bucks, the sixth one totally unseated me and I landed on my side on the ground. My hip and my shoulder are both hurt and I have two bruised ribs. Hubby doesn't want me to ride her again until she gets professional training. I don't have the money to get professional training so I guess right now she sits. I don't want that but I don't have much choice right now
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Post by lindad on Aug 12, 2009 23:07:27 GMT -5
OMG, I hope you are OK. Saddle fit is a big problem and I think that it has caused Spring to buck. It is so difficult to get the shoulder wide enough. You out lasted me riding the buck though.
Do you have Bombers there? They are huge horse flies that make them run and buck in a frenzy. What did she do after she dumped you? It may give you a clue to if it was a fly , the saddle or something else. In Michigan we also call them Pontiacs because they are powerfully built and huge.
You may need a saddle fitter as much as a pro trainer. Maybe Kevin or one of the others will advise us both about how to deal with this.
Linda D
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Post by kigercat on Aug 13, 2009 0:01:04 GMT -5
One time Diva actually bucked and I went flying was bad saddle fit. It was right after I got her and didn't have anything near fitting and it pinched her pretty bad. Of course green horse green rider I fell off all on my own once or twice a year for the first 3 or so years =)
Last time I came off was my first bareback trail ride and we ran into a bear with a dog in hot pursuit. Not a buck but huge spook by both horses and ploop off I came again right in the blackberries...hard enough to break my riding helmet. On the plus side I stopped at the firestation by the field I was boarding the horses at and had a whole station of really cute firemen check me out for a concussion =) When you walk in looking like the loser in a cat fight you get a lot of attention real quick!!
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Post by fantasykiger on Aug 13, 2009 0:53:08 GMT -5
OH I am so sorry  about you getting thrown and not knowing the cause. Also sad is your hubby's concern for you, though understanding and loving, has you sidelined. But until you can find a way to get her the training he wishes her to have, you can still play with her and maybe work on some ground driving instead. I have to say I am lucky when it comes to bucking with Fantasy she is such a lazy bulk she does try but really can not buck anything off and she is pretty good about yeilding her hind quarters right away and stopping in a pinch to dismount. |
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Post by stormyranch on Aug 13, 2009 7:48:54 GMT -5
I have had horses buck that don't normally buck, and they got stung by a bee. My gelding Creek got stung 2 years ago and went into a full run, bucking up a storm. I needless to say go pitched and hurt bad. (bruises) I would take firefly out with the saddle and take it slow and see how she reacts.
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Post by dunbnwild on Aug 13, 2009 8:42:14 GMT -5
Ugh-- that's awful! Sometimes new tack can really freak a horse out--Cat went nuts over a small saddle bag once and a different set of reins another time--they catch it out of the corner of their eye and freak out because it's not what they're expecting.
If it was a "bomber" type horse fly--you might want to think about getting an Epps Bitting Fly Trap-- I have a huge horse fly problem and my girls would throw nightly rodeos--I was scared to ride them in the evening or even to be in the pasture with them. I got the biting fly trap and I swear by it. It was expensive, though. But I net out at least 50 biting flies a night, sometimes more. And while I still catch a horse fly or two on my grulla, over all peace has been restored to the evening hours.
As for Firefly-- ramp up the desensitizing and ground work. Check with trainers in your area and see if there are some other options--like training lessons as opposed to full training. My trainer works with people like that--she'll do training by the hour or week or month, etc... I go to her about once a month to help keep on track with the girls as my confidence has increased and I start pushing them more and more.
Good luck!
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Post by kigerfan on Aug 13, 2009 10:12:37 GMT -5
Right now I can't think of much of anything. My hip and my shoulder seems mostly to be what I landed on, I can bend at my elbow but can't lift my arm at my shoulder without a good deal of pain right now. walking is no fun and having bruised a couple ribs, I'm not having much fun with them at all.
This really scared my husband and if I climbed on her at all any time soon he would have a complete fit and possibly call for me to sell her. I don't want to get put in that position. I'll have to work on ground driving and such I guess. But I won't be even thinking of that for a while due to the pain. Today I was able to carefully and quite painfully roll out of bed by myself, yesterday I couldn't even do that. Getting around is a bit difficult but I'm still getting my stuff done. We have bot flys here but she was sprayed and they don't seem to bother her when she's sprayed. I think it was either the saddle, which I've ridden her before in or the bosal which was new to her that day. I don't know which.
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Post by vaquerotraditions on Aug 13, 2009 10:54:36 GMT -5
Im sooo sorry that happened and you got hurt. Thats the worst, to have a horse you love hurt you and not be able to continue working with them for a while. In regards to what caused the buck, it could be those things you mentioned above as certainly they can and will do that, but it could also be that she is a bit of a bucker. They dont always need a reason that makes sense to us to blow in two. Some like it and blow every lil chance they get, some do it as last resort and some never do. I have worked with all three and much prefer the latter  If the bosal was the likely cause you would have noticed some head tossing, stiffness in neck, general loss of suppleness, twitchy nose, stomping feet or other signs of being bothered. Unless you put it on for the first time and climbed right on you would have noticed at least something about that and likely before u even got on. When you can, I would go back over her groundwork using that hackamore setup and see if she responds normally or is bothered by it. Maybe it needs to be shaped a lil, or adjusted a lil looser for her. The saddle is not new to her so there would be even more signs if that was the problem. If a horse knows a saddle bites them, them tend to show it right away, as in during the act of saddling. They will move around a bunch, try to keep out from under it at times, turn cinchy, be hard to mount, rear once mounted, toss head, switch tail, stomp feet and just tell you they are not happy campers. I have even heard of horses kicking the saddle out of the owners hands as they walked up to the horse! (I would hope that horse had tried all the above mentioned tactics before going to that one). If you didnt see something like that at all and have ridden that saddle on her a number of times before without issue, Id say thats not your problem. I agree that the best option sounds like taking some lesson/training hours from a good colt starter. I would go to somebody who is good at starting colts because even tho many many people can ride great and do wonderful things with a broke horse, only a few really know how to make a good one from scratch. That doesnt mean that I think they have to be big time colt starting specialists, or even employed in training, just that they have the horsemanship skills are good communicators. At this stage especially, communication matters most. It doesnt matter what they can do with your horse if they cannot teach you how to be safe, productive and successfull the other 6 days a week they are not around. |
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Post by angelsdream on Aug 13, 2009 11:21:59 GMT -5
Im so sorry to hear this...I have been there before as well. I hope you heal quickly and are albe to work with her - sounds like you know her pretty well - think back and see if you remember any of the signs Yurok mentioned above. I know Lakota will start snorting or sneezing, "whatever you call it" when she is irritated - but that is only when Im riding her, I can usually watch her ears and expressions to see if theres something she dont like. Its hard to pin point exactly what made her do that - you just may never know, after all, they are horses with there own minds and will still do what they want but she doesn't sound like a bucker - just take it easy and rest - the hardest part after an accident like this is not letting it get to you and scare you in the future. Its hard not to think about it and worry it will happen again...I guess thats what they call mentally tuff!!!
Im not sure what's in the air - tuesday at drill team practice all the horses were acting funny - one horse was bucking that has never ever bucked or acted up - even Lakota was ill.
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Post by desperatehorsewife on Aug 13, 2009 13:11:22 GMT -5
Bummer! I've come off twice this year and landing on my side was by far the easier of the two...but still plenty of bruising and I know it can smart might good. It's frustrating when you don't know what caused it with an otherwise quiet horse. Fluke, bee sting, whatever...makes it difficult for us, the trainer, and our spouses. I feel for ya!  |
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Post by kigerfan on Aug 13, 2009 15:11:08 GMT -5
My biggest problem is that I already have a bad back, I shouldn't even really be riding her at all this green. With her all out bucking like that, she could have landed me in such a way that would have permenantly paralized me and that's pretty scarey. I will work with her from the ground for now and see what I can work out. Someone told me that if she reacted badly to the bosal, I should try a snaffle bit because it is direct contact. They also said that the snaffle bit would be fine even though she still has her wolf teeth, I need some input on all of that.
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Post by kigercat on Aug 13, 2009 16:10:21 GMT -5
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Post by kigerfan on Aug 13, 2009 16:50:39 GMT -5
been riding her with just a halter and clip on reins, that was the first time with the bosal
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Post by DianneC on Aug 13, 2009 22:53:48 GMT -5
Wow, sorry about that! Tiger Balm is great to take the pain out, stinky but so what.
Have you ridden with a bosal yourself before? I hear they are a bit tricky to start with but have never tried one. A friend got thrown recently and it was a ground hornet that got the horse. I got stung by one once and the pain was so bad I screamed in surprise.
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Post by kigerfan on Aug 14, 2009 9:43:18 GMT -5
It was my first time with a bosal, I did a wholeeeee lot of studying on them and such but don't think it did me a whole lot of good in the long run. I really was trying not to put a bit on her but I may end up doing so anyhow. I've been told that wolf teeth don't matter when using a snaffle bit, is this true? She still has her wolf teeth
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about you getting thrown and not knowing the cause. Also sad is your hubby's concern for you, though understanding and loving, has you sidelined. But until you can find a way to get her the training he wishes her to have, you can still play with her and maybe work on some ground driving instead.
