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Post by Michelle Clarke on Jul 16, 2009 16:30:44 GMT -5
Dam is smokey black (black + creme), sire is smokey creme black (black + 2 creme genes). This colt appears black and will obviously have one creme gene making him a smokey black. Here is the question....when you have a double dilute (sire) you could also have a "hidden" grey and won't be able to tell because the color is already so diluted. The sire is imported and comes from another double dilute sire, so there is quite the possibility he could have the grey. In my experience, I have seen many spanish type foals that come out with lots of dun factor markings (like this colts ears and stripe) without having a dun parent, but they will grey. Waiting for new picts - was told he was shedding out a dark chocolate color. So...what do you'all think...  ?    |
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Post by kimk on Jul 16, 2009 19:25:14 GMT -5
Michelle,
Grey is a dominant modifier. If it is present it is expressed. A foal must have at least one grey parent for it to turn grey. there is no "hidden" grey.
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Post by JoanMRK on Jul 16, 2009 19:36:46 GMT -5
That's the way I've always understood it too Kim.
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Post by DianneC on Jul 16, 2009 20:07:56 GMT -5
How old are the parents? Do you have current pictures of the sire, especially of the sire's tail? I think what Michelle was saying is that the sire is already so light that it would be hard to tell if he was greying. Michelle, it seems in Kigers that they always start greying from the end of the tail. In smokey creams there is usually color in the tail, the tail is not ususally white. Not sure how that applies to Luisitanos. I believe there is a test for grey now at UC Davis.
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Post by Michelle Clarke on Jul 16, 2009 21:48:43 GMT -5
The sire is seven years old - gorgeous horse... Here he is at three:  Here he is at six:  Here is what I would call "greying dapples" under that dilute color:  Sorry for the largeness...did not have time to resize! |
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Post by barbhorses on Jul 16, 2009 22:27:31 GMT -5
I think any horse gets dapples when they are healthy. IMO, this stallion wouldn't even have a cream look to him if he was greying. He would be white by now.
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Post by kimk on Jul 16, 2009 22:29:06 GMT -5
I've always seen it begin in the face first in Kigers that I've seen turn grey. Usually the eyelashes grey first, then a few facial hairs etc.
Yes, UC Davis has comleted the test for grey and it is available!
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Post by MustangsInNC on Jul 16, 2009 23:58:15 GMT -5
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Post by DianneC on Jul 17, 2009 9:51:35 GMT -5
Cool horse Michelle! Wowser even. I can see why you are concerned. Good health dapples don't usually include the neck, but I have seen them on buckskins...his body color has lightened. I don't think he is grey but I'd pull hair to be sure on the colt. I guess a question to ask is if the sire has ever thrown a grey foal out of a non grey mare, or if either of his parents threw all grey. Trouble is, most Luisitanos are grey, or used to be, so you can have generations of mostly grey horses.
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Post by fantasykiger on Jul 17, 2009 13:27:15 GMT -5
I say no on the grey, the foal does not have the tell-tale grey haloing around the eyes.
Oh and any color horse can have dapples.
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Post by Michelle Clarke on Jan 20, 2010 8:06:48 GMT -5
Update...the page has been updated with the stallions color testing results. Yes, he has one grey gene, so he is greying.
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Post by DianneC on Jan 21, 2010 0:45:34 GMT -5
I see that Sommer Ranch has their operation of five acres and house up for sale for $699,000. That's quite a good buy. I wonder if the colt was tested for grey. Looks like they are eager to sell.
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Post by Michelle Clarke on Jan 21, 2010 6:23:58 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see how the colt sheds out this spring.
Hmmm...the next move I make will be to Costa Rica - not California!
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