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Post by barbhorses on Jul 6, 2009 23:22:47 GMT -5
The guy that is selling this horse doesn't know it (well, he will after he reads my email! lol), but Sulphur's Chance is a Sulphur. Anyways, Chance produces horses with that classic Spanish war horse temperament. I don't know if that kind of temperament passes onto crossbred foals, but pure Spanish Sulphurs certainly have it. www.dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?form_horse_id=1425485&share_this=Y
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Post by barbhorses on Jul 7, 2009 0:33:56 GMT -5
Here are a couple of pics of him. He looks like he has a Kiger body and neck placement with a Spanish Sulphur head.
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Post by barbhorses on Jul 7, 2009 0:44:34 GMT -5
Just FYI, his current owner has informed me that he has had a bad life. He has 8 foals on the ground and one on the way. He says that he has also gained 200 pounds since he rescued him. These pics are taken with his current owner.
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Post by barbhorses on Jul 7, 2009 1:34:43 GMT -5
More pics: One of Dancer's colts named Star. Not sure who the dam is. Most likely a Kiger.
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Post by dazzlingduns on Jul 7, 2009 12:24:34 GMT -5
Kim, Can you explain war horse temperment and how it varies between other breeds and pure Spanish Sulphurs? Did you compile this information from your reading, or do you have actual riding experience with this type of horse. How many horses have you ridden to come to this conclusion about pure Spanish Sulphurs with their war horse temperment. What war are the Spanish Sulphurs known to have been a part of? Melissa
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Post by barbhorses on Jul 7, 2009 14:44:28 GMT -5
Hey Melissa, What I mean by that is that owners of Chance lined horses have always been amazed by the fearless/bold and sensitive temperament of those horses. Basically, it sounds like your classic Spanish war horse. Sensitive to the rider, yet willing to go through anything when his/her rider asks. Here is a purebred Spanish Sulphur stallion whose sire is also Sulphur's Chance. You can see a huge difference between the purebred and the crossbred which is also why I said this horse looks Kiger except for his head. I hope he gets a good home! His current owners says he has been through a lot before he rescued him.
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Post by dazzlingduns on Jul 7, 2009 15:07:12 GMT -5
Thanks Kim, Sounds like any good riding horse of any breed to me. Does this mean that any horse with this temperment might be derived from Spanish War Horse lines? Very interesting. Melissa
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Post by barbhorses on Jul 7, 2009 15:34:07 GMT -5
This temperament is not present on any riding horse I have been around or heard owners describe. I certainly haven't seen it except on Chance lined horses. Guess I can't explain this very well. Perhaps you will need to meet a pure Spanish Sulphur in person that is descended from Chance to understand what I am talking about.
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Post by dunbnwild on Jul 7, 2009 16:29:00 GMT -5
I know this is the Kiger board and I am vastly uneducated about Sulphurs, but I'm curious-- you keep referring to "pure Spanish Sulphurs" --does the sulphur registry differentiate between "Sulphurs", "American Sulphurs" and "Spanish Sulphurs" or is this a term you and other breeders use to describe a more desirable type within the Sulphurs, and if so, how is it "pure" exactly? Is the Sulphur HMA fenced to keep the Spanish type ones separated from the non? I'm just very confused by this terminology (although I do understand that some Sulphurs look more Spanish than others).
Thanks!
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Post by barbhorses on Jul 7, 2009 17:35:55 GMT -5
The Sulphur HMA was not made with the thought of Spanish horses being on the mountain. The BLM just set up boundaries and only later they discovered that there were also Spanish horses on the HMA. The horses that exist more near the Nevada border on the northern aspect, but closer to the middle of the HMA are horses that are mixed Spanish, the horses that are found north east of mountain home peak (which is the northern aspect of the HMA) are where the Spanish horses are found. However, it is known that the horses can travel across the mountain which takes many hours, but the BLM does know it happens. This means, that eventually the Sulphur HMA will only have regular dun Mustangs on the HMA. The horses to the far south of the HMA are a draft type of horse and does not even come in the dun color; the main color pattern that Spanish Sulphurs come in. This means that there is either little or no mixing of the Sulphurs from the north of the HMA to the south. Here is a link on my website. You can see pics of wild Spanish Sulphurs and I have pics of mixed bred horses on there as well. I am sure that you will be quite surprised at the differences in breeding! www.spanishsulphurs.org/Sulphur_Types.htmlThe Sulphurs have been widely accepted for years to represent the last of the Spanish horses that descended from the Spanish vaqueros horses of California. The reason why we can say this about horses found in Utah is that the Old Spanish Trail is very close to the HMA and there is no other note in history of a large group of horses passing near the mountain home range. They only show the D1 and D3 Iberian/Barb mtDNA pattern and cluster within the Iberian breed group (this involves Spanish markers, not mtDNA patterns). A group of horses that are Spanish influenced will also show Spanish markers. The difference between horses classified as a Spanish breed vs. Spanish influenced is the frequency of Spanish markers present.
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