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Post by Michelle Clarke on Jan 2, 2008 21:54:01 GMT -5
I thought I would start a new thread on this subject. Nola, on another thread you stated that the partbreds should not be less than 1/2 Kiger. If I remember right, you will be breeding Riddle to your other mares that are not Kiger, correct? Being as I enjoy the crossbreeding aspect, obviously, I would be interested on hearing your reasons why you decided to crossbreed, what your goals are and how you are choosing your mares of another breed.  |
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Post by nrly on Jan 3, 2008 0:27:45 GMT -5
no riddle will be bred to just our Kigers, we will be buying a few more kiger mares for this. I did at one time think of cross breeding myself, but Hubby wants to raise this breed, so for now I guess we wont be cross breeding. We have a BLM Mustang that I thought we would breed Riddle too, but as of this point in time we wont be doing that.
I have nothing against cross breeding, what I was trying to get across is how far down do we go in accepting cross bred Kigers. These are questions I would like answered, since there seems to be different opinions on standards.
I admit I would not even know where to go or what type of horse i would want to cross with him if i decided to do it. So we figured it would be easier just to breed Kigers only.
I have had several people ask us if they could breed their mares to Riddle. As far as what am I looking for is a well rounded horse, with the ability to do allot and the strength to do it all. I hope this answered your question.
nola
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Post by Michelle Clarke on Jan 3, 2008 10:00:07 GMT -5
Nola, thanks for your answers.
I think there are both positives and negatives in breeding pures vs. crossbreds. I think crossbreeding is in general looked down upon, as a lower standard of animal. This is true in more of the "pet" type species of animals - such as dogs, cats and even horses.
However, in livestock breeding practices, this is of benefit. Firstly, when you know your stock and what to choose for, your first cross (F1), is of hybrid vigor. This means they have received the dominant traits (assuming you have chosen animals with desirable dominant traits) from both breeds because they have less chance to carry the same recessive genes that may be unwanted. This means better natural immunity, mental focus, increased fertility, healthier fetal development and overall strength/vigor.
This is only of great benefit when you are producing stock for riding and performance.
Each breed tends to have its' own inherant issues they may be less than desirable. It only makes sense because you are breeding animals that hold the same genetic makeup, including the undesirable recessives which will show up more and more as the animals are bred.
Besides low immunity, auto-immune diseases, digestive issues (like malabsorption), bone problems, behavioral maladies; they tend to be smaller, have teeth problems, low birth weights, bug-eyes, lean/fine bones, white markings, and on and on.
I think the white marking fact is very interesting. It is the exact thing Kiger breeders are trying to breed out, yet they are a product of inbreeding; but by cutting horses out because of the white markings, the gene pool is progressively getting smaller and smaller - which will make white markings appear more, no?!?!?!?!
I don't think Kiger breeders should be afraid of the white markings. In my experience, for the most part they are not very dominant, especially leg markings. If you have a Kiger with white markings, find out first if they pass it on dominantly, if not you are better off with your gene pool than some who may be taking that out completely.
Okay, don't get me wrong, I LIKE linebreeding (even inbreeding) to a certain extent and to use for then crossbreeding! I don't want to produce a bunch of inbred animals to sell, but I want to use some for production.
Another thing that an F1 brings to the table is it is a GREAT baby-maker. They are usually very good mothers and do produce a better quality and higher production of milk than the purebred counterparts. My hispano/arabe mare always had the biggest, healthiest foals and the most milk. She was an easy breeder, easy keeper and was a total hussy (all the things you want in a broodmare!).
You can either breed your F1 to a original breed for an F1b (breeding back to the same breed as either the sire or dam for a 3/4ths cross) or out-cross to another breed. Each has is own issues and advantages just like the F1s.
Anyway, there is a whole science behind the crossbreeding, and as far as registries, if you are breeding for and staying within the Standard set, then it does not matter what percentages you are at. It does not take away from the purebreds in any way, nor does it compete with such.
Just as I mentioned in the other thread, there are plenty of Arabs, Thoroughbreds, etc. that are used in the warmblood registries and are branded as purebreds because of the type and contribution they can make to the gene pool.
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Post by lindad on Jan 3, 2008 12:26:52 GMT -5
I have recently made aquaintence with a warm blood breeder. When she saw Bolero's photographs, she said ," Wow, I never expected to see that in a Mustang. I thought course, ugly head, he's beautiful and well put together" She then started coaching me about offering him for warmblood breeding. That shocked me!
Linda D
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Post by nrly on Jan 3, 2008 13:00:20 GMT -5
Michelle,
thank you you have given me much to think about. Some was way over my head but I did get the jest of it. What gets me is this thing against white markings, to me it isn't a big deal. But that is also because I never got involved with a purebred regesteries and all the do's and don't s. and I know the only way i am to learn is to ask questions, so that is what I am doing on all these subjects. thanks for the information
nola
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Post by fantasykiger on Jan 3, 2008 14:44:08 GMT -5
I myself am a crossbreeder. Yes, I have gotten' alot of smack about it from outsiders online here and there. But people who know me and know my mares understand I put alot of thought into the pairing of my dam and a sire.
I am a odd breeder in that I own only mares no stallions. I am VERY small time, I had one maybe two foals every other year or so. My foals sold quickly as smart useful ranch working horses or rodeo horses. My best mare is a Mustang she was bred to Kiger studs, an Arab and finally a dun paint. Her last 3 foals were from the dun paint. I was just so pleased with the results we were getting from the match up. Fantasy of course is the result of one of the Kiger stud and Mustang crosses and excellant result. Fantasy was then bred to a Kiger and the resulting filly Wickee is absolutley wonderful. I have a Pintaloosa filly, another of my crossbreds a well thought out breeding for a athletic sport horse something new to me, as I have been producing calm laid back working horses. This filly is something altogether new for me. Not to mention my latest effort a true hybrid Fantasy's mule foal...I am terribly excited for this one. ;D
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Post by lindaf on Jan 3, 2008 14:58:45 GMT -5
Have you shown us a picture of your Pintaloosa filly? I am looking forward to seeing the little mule.
Linda F
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Post by fantasykiger on Jan 3, 2008 15:09:46 GMT -5
I do not know if I have shown a picture of the Pintaloosa filly this is Princess Spot Graffiti she is registered class B as she only shows Appy characteristics. In the summer she has that metalic sheen to her coat that is just fabulous, but mostly I hope that she will be a great performance horse. She is just 3 yrs old ...  |
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Post by nrly on Jan 3, 2008 15:29:14 GMT -5
wow Tifanny she is awesome.
nola
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Post by desperatehorsewife on Jan 11, 2008 0:07:49 GMT -5
I have recently made aquaintence with a warm blood breeder. When she saw Bolero's photographs, she said ," Wow, I never expected to see that in a Mustang. I thought course, ugly head, he's beautiful and well put together" She then started coaching me about offering him for warmblood breeding. That shocked me! Linda D I just posted on another thread my thoughts of breeding mustangs, but this is one area of breeding that I'd agree with. These horses aren't 'pets', like so many of the horses being bred. They've got a purpose, something useful that will make them of value. I know of a few folks who are using mustangs in their sport horse breeding programs because of their tremendous strides and athletic ability. El Barroco is one example of a lovely wild caught mustang that's now being used in a sport pony breeding program: www.daedreamstables.com/Roco.html |
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