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Post by ctxkiger on Aug 25, 2011 8:48:56 GMT -5
Hi, I had a lady ask me the question below. I do not have any experience with the claybanks so I submit the question to the experts:
"Do the Clayback Kiger's have any issues with cancer like grey horses do? Is their underlying skin color black? I'm just worried because I know how the Texas sun burns paints and even the white pigment on noses of solid horses if any exists. "
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Post by gotkiger on Aug 25, 2011 9:18:21 GMT -5
my claybank was dna color tested ans the results say she is homozigus black with one agouti which makes her bay based. With dun points as a younger horse she would have been a zebra dun with a gray gene on top of it. She is now almost completely white at 13 yease old. I have had no problems with her. I do have a friend with a paso fino (sp) the same age and she has problems with him and tumors on his skin. I dont know if it is more genetic or what. Im no expert but this is my experience so far.
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Post by Michelle Clarke on Aug 25, 2011 10:21:02 GMT -5
This very much depends on what the person asking is meaning by
"claybank". Some breeds call light red or red dun horses claybanks. Kiger claybanks usually turn grey. Grey horses generally have black skin and do not sunburn like paints - which is total lack of pigment on the white areas of skin which will sunburn. Now, some horses will loose pigment on the skin at an old age (mostly around the eyes and mouth), they would have issue with the sun in those areas that turn pink.
Greys do have more tendency toward tumors - some breeds more than others. I have yet to know of a grey Kiger with tumors...maybe someone else has but I sure don't and I have five grey Kigers or half Kigers and have never had an issue.
Claybanks that do not grey will not have any issue with sun or tumors.
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Post by ctxkiger on Aug 25, 2011 12:16:38 GMT -5
THANK YOU BOTH FOR THE INFORMATION.
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Post by fantasykiger on Aug 25, 2011 15:14:00 GMT -5
I have had no such problem with my claybank/grey mare and her underlying skin is black. The only horse I ever had experiences with melanoma/tumors was grey Appaloosa with mottled skin.
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Post by kimk on Aug 25, 2011 19:00:50 GMT -5
I have not ever seen a "claybank" Kiger that did not turn grey. What that means to me, is that they are and have been a dun or grulla horse with a grey modifier which alters thier appearance and they are mistakenly called "claybank". I have not ever seen a true claybank Kiger in the sense that it has been described with black points, but I have seen what should be called claybank ( red based ) in the Kiger breed.
so I guess my answer to her would be if it is a Kiger registered as a "claybank" it IS a grey.
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Post by DianneC on Aug 25, 2011 23:03:19 GMT -5
Judy Yancy's got several out of her claybank mare (who never turned grey), Fancy is another. Extremely light duns that are not grey.
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Post by kimk on Aug 25, 2011 23:46:23 GMT -5
dianne,
i would personally debate those horses being correctly defined as claybank, as opposed to buttermilk dun. Also, just to fuel the fire.... all of those horses have a significant amount of found" blood. just sayin'...
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Post by horses4ever on Jan 13, 2012 21:03:13 GMT -5
Hi,
I found this very interesting. I know of a claybank Kiger where I am that did start out as dun and is turning grey. Right now she's more of a light buttermilk colour. But I do have a question. In the summertime do normal claybanks turn a sort of pink colour from the sun?
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Post by gotkiger on Jan 14, 2012 1:18:20 GMT -5
until She fully grayed out my claybank mare would have a cream color to her coat covered in white dapples. If she is kept out of the sun she still will look like this to some degree but not like she did even two years ago. She wasnt pink but more of a buttery, creamy, super light palomino color (she tested negative for cream, pearl and champeign but positive for one gray)
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Post by horses4ever on Jan 14, 2012 2:50:10 GMT -5
Okay, thank you. The one I know of has a sort of orange tint on the ends of her hair, and it shows up more at certain times of the year. I don't think I've seen any kind of dapples on her.. She's pretty much one straight colour with the black base.
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Post by gotkiger on Jan 14, 2012 14:16:33 GMT -5
Every horse is different in how their color will change. Some go completely white and some never seem to fully gray out. Some have daples and some dont. Here is the progression of color of my mare 3 year old.  6 years old (with her first colt who is a beautiful dun with no gray gene)  probably about 8 or 9 years old  three years ago at 11 years old  last april just before she foaled, 13 years old  You can still see the dapples but they are more prominent when she is stalled durring the day or just out of the sun. You can also see that her leg bars are really lightening up in the past few years |
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Post by horses4ever on Jan 15, 2012 4:05:36 GMT -5
Ohh okay. Thank you  and yeah, the one I know, called Pinky, has no dappling at all. And your mare in her 10th picture seems to be close to her current colour, just a bit lighter. Also Pinky still seems to have a lot of black still in her leg bars and mane & tail. |
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Post by gotkiger on Jan 15, 2012 16:33:21 GMT -5
My mare is outside in the sun 24/7. She was stalled up until about two and a half years ago so was out of the sun a lot. Her color really changed when she was exposed to the sun more. I know of two other Claybank kigers, both are half siblings to my mare, and neither of them have the dapples but all three of them are turning more and more fleebitten. It was kind of eye opening for me to look back at these pictures and see that she was a lot darker just a few years ago. It made me laugh because I am so use to her being so light ... oops, lol
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Post by horses4ever on Jan 19, 2012 16:51:31 GMT -5
Haha awww!!! Haha I know how you feel. A few days ago I found pictures of Pinky from a few years ago and I was astonished at how dark she was.
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and yeah, the one I know, called Pinky, has no dappling at all. And your mare in her 10th picture seems to be close to her current colour, just a bit lighter. Also Pinky still seems to have a lot of black still in her leg bars and mane & tail.