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Post by DianneC on Feb 19, 2008 1:15:22 GMT -5
Bringing this over from the other board, posted by Melissa Scott:
Is there any interest in a centrally located Kiger show? If so, we will need organizers within that area and surrounding states. If not, the Kigers will never be nationally known as a legitimate competitive breed. Kigers must compete against Kigers on a national level. I would be willing to sponsor a class or two, and possibly find corporate sponsors.We need to start somewhere.
The Kigers are unique,versatile, competitive horses. It is up to us to, "LET THEM SHINE WITHIN THEIR OWN KIND." Come on......where's all those "elite" horses we've been reading about all these years? Don't you think it's about time to see what they are made of, and how they stack up in competition?
... Kigers are versatile horses. They learn quickly and accept readily the challenge of learning new disciplines. Their intelligence demands new challenges to keep them interested or mentally involved, and productive with their work routine. The Kigers would greatly benefit from competitions among themselves on a National level. With improved competitive spirit, and experience, the Kigers could possibly improve their talents and abilities to successfully challenge in interbreed competitions.
We need some dedicated people to organize a ligitimate BIG Kiger show! Even if it requires a year or two to organize. Hopefully someone will step up to the plate.
Melissa
So, we have some volunteers already. Those of you who posted on the other board feel free to volunteer again here, promise not to give you twice the work! I'm in. If you know a good place for a show let us know too.
Dianne
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Post by DianneC on Feb 19, 2008 12:23:56 GMT -5
Oh, and we'll need stop over places for people making the two day haul to someplace in the central US. If you have safe space for a horse or two overnight that would be a big help. Suggestions for classes?
In looking at Google Maps it seems that Omaha is pretty central. Parelli is going to be at National Western Complex Events Center in Denver this year so that has to be pretty nice. Ideas welcome.
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Post by nrly on Feb 19, 2008 13:51:32 GMT -5
Tell me what states will be involved, i was also wondering about the south west, if you think we can do one here in Arizona let me know i will help, tell me what i will need to do for this state and I am on board. i will also check with my stable owner about over nighters and see what he say's. i know one thing for sure every horse has to have a coggins.
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Post by angelsdream on Feb 19, 2008 14:11:23 GMT -5
I'll do anything I can do to help. And if anyone will be coming thru GA. I know a lot of places to board, camp, hotels, etc.
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Post by Michelle Clarke on Feb 19, 2008 14:27:34 GMT -5
Dianne, you know I will offer any help I can. What kind of a participant draw do you think there will be? I think before a location is picked, there needs to be a mailing sent out by the registries, etc (or you can purchase lists from them) to find out where the biggest draw would be from. From that, you can find out what classes folks would be interested in before that is decided. As far as where it is, it needs to be in an area that will be interested in coming to a Kiger show and people who would spend money on buying one and possibilty showing themselves. Sponsors and vendors won't take the time to come out or contribute without a big crowd draw. Omaha probably does not know what a Kiger is.....you need to go where Spanish horses are a draw - not QH's. More south would maybe be better....Florida would be ideal or California - but none of those are central. Find out where there are big groups of Spanish Horse folks - even if it is not Kigers or mustangs.
The Andalusian/Lusitano Nationals only has about 200 horses participate. The classes have to be very expensive to cover costs, not to mention stalls, sponsorships and vendor spaces. Judges need to be paid, awards bought and a TON of marketing to promote on-lookers. The show is still a consistant loser in $$.
And one of the WORST thing folks do is make a show in spring during foaling and breeding season - many folks just plain can't go! Also, a fall or late summer show is best because people have vacation time and have the good weather to get their horses prepared to go.
just a few thoughts.....
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Post by fantasykiger on Feb 19, 2008 15:06:56 GMT -5
I wish I could a part of this but at this time I don't own a full Kiger or the family support behind me to even pursue such an venture. I realize one does not necessarily have to own a horse to be a part of organzing a show or putting together such a venue. Hec' you even need volunteers just to open gates.
The sad truth is my non-horse family is not sure they are willing to give up more of my time and our money, to the horses that they already do. Reality bites.
It is a vicious cycle for me, I want to do more wish I could. The best I can do at this point is hope I win the lottery and by word of mouth with the horse people I meet, keep promoting and leaning them towards this wonderful breed.
Yet, I never say never because things do change and who knows where I will be a year from now.
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Post by zephyrcreek on Feb 19, 2008 16:01:36 GMT -5
One of the other items brought up was having 3-4 different regional shows first, and then a centrally located national event.
One of the things I think would make this even better would be to try to find another group of horses (Spanish horses, mustangs, etc.) and to a combined show. I can remember doing this in the past for Paso Finos. The show would have "breed" classes throughout the day, and some classes that were open to multiple breeds (trail, dressage, etc.). This seemed to work well to pull in vendors, and to share the costs of the judge and facility fees. It did limit the number of breed classes, but I think that the lower costs made it worth while.
PS these shows were "regional" shows. There were other events that were Paso only shows.
Ellen
I would love to help!
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Post by nightangel on Feb 19, 2008 20:54:53 GMT -5
Omaha only knows what Quarter Horses and Paints are. Its quite sad. I'm so unfortunate to have to put up with it.  But it would be quite convenient from me, Omaha is twenty minutes away!  |
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Post by Michelle Clarke on Feb 19, 2008 21:02:22 GMT -5
Ellen,
the idea of a "spanish" horse show is the one that will make it. The new Ibero Horse Society that is in the works will have shows for all types of these horses. We will also have "specialty" classes - for certain breeds, etc. I belive once agian, that this will take the Kiger to a higher level being able to compete agianst other like horses instead of just having Kiger against Kiger.
The other bonus about this is that there will be HUGE backing to be a Kick Butt show, not to mention in between now and then there will be judge classes and certifications so that our Spanish Horses will not be judged by a QH or Arab person.
This is something that will be a reality and will be a big draw with the Kiger folks being able to show other Spanish Horse enthusiasts what a Kiger really is and can do. We all know they will sell themselves!
I see the reasoning for the Kiger Only shows, but I honestly just don't think there is enough horses to compete or enough interest to draw a crowd.
I hope this does not come across wrong, I just want to see it be successful. There is alot to consider, that's all!
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Post by spanishsagegrullas on Feb 20, 2008 0:17:05 GMT -5
Perhaps this Kiger show and the Ibero Horse Society can combine their efforts and the Kiger show could be the day before or the day after the Ibero Horse Society Show. That way, Kigers could enter the Ibero Horse Society Show (do they have to be registered with that Society?) and people coming for the Ibero Horse Society Show part of it will be able to see quite a few Kigers. And the judges which are already there who are familiar with the Iberian conformation could judge the Kiger Show halter classes, and any other classes that could benefit from that perspective.
I need to give JP a call anyway; maybe I will run this by him and plant the seed for a cooperative effort in two years or so. That should be enough time to let it grow into a reality.
Diane P.
Spanish Sage Ranch
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Post by stormyranch on Feb 20, 2008 0:35:18 GMT -5
Michelle,
How many horses do you think it will take to put on a good show?(I have 5 that will be show ready in June)
For judges all we have to do is look at the ones that have done the Western States Wild Horse and Burro Show. In my opinion they know Mustangs, in fact I've even been judged by them at open shows and they were able to place Mustangs with the QH.
We can talk all we want to, but if we don't take the first step we will never have a show.
Maybe this is what it will take to get all the registies on the same page
I hope I don't come across wrong either, I just want to help put on a show
Kevin
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Post by Michelle Clarke on Feb 20, 2008 8:29:33 GMT -5
Diane, I am sure that it can be arranged to have just a "Kiger" show, but it will have to pay fully for the days it goes on by itself. That means the facility, show stewards, judges, the show office, announcer, awards, etc.
The idea is to have a show for all types of the horses in the Ibero Society - not only competeing against thier own breed, but Open classes. Like say on Saturday afternoon, there will be a block of just Kiger classes; but the Kigers could also compete in the Open classes. Lots of oportunity to get out there. I guarantee you that seeing a dun Kiger in the show ring with the greys and bays will definately stand out - and that is what we want!
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Kevin, I think your ideas are well taken, and YES, talking about it is the first step but then things need to move forward!
I have never been to Kiger Fest (when is it this year? the new KMA website does not work for me, so I can never get into it....), so you know alot more than I do about participation, etc. I would guess that since Oregon and Washington have the highest concentration of Kigers, that the participation would be good.
Figure if you have 40-50 classes per day, you would need to be able to have at least a few horses in each class. I guess you would have to figure how many would also compete in more than one class too. At the Andy/Luso Nationals this year (I only use this as an example because that is what I know!), there were just over 200 horses and four days of classes. Many classes there were no participation, most were 1-2 horses. It was not fun to watch! Some of the biggest classes were the driving - but consider the generation factor with $$ in that breed, so driving is a big draw. The halter classes were very big, but the crowd gets tired of the very quickly. The performance classes are sadly attended.....which is what the crowds would come to see!
For many years I was involved with the Paso Fino shows and they were a blast to attend and show at! High energy levels at these shows, HUGE crowds and high participant attendance. The andy/luso shows are not really that thrilling to be at because everyone tries to be so "distinguished" and "classy".....and the crowd attendance is low low low. Nothing fun at those shows!
I think having the different breeds would be a huge benefit because folks would come to see show and be exposed to so many unique horses. Plus, people can be introduced to breeds they don't even know about, such as the Kiger...
So, back to business. Surely within the above show, there can be a block of just Kiger classes so folks can see them all at one time too. You can bet I will work hard to get them into a premium time slot! We can even have a High Point Kiger award, a Best in Show, etc.
If we arrange some specialty classes for the Kigers to do also, that would be a big crowd getter (along with potential buyers). We can start our block out with a Kiger demo, set to music - something to get the crowd going and set the tone. We used to take 4-5 Kigers in the ring at the same time, different disiplines (even jumping!) - it went over well.
I have a few ideas for classes we can specialize in.....! The only thing we need now is folks to get thier Kigers in gear and do it!
As far as entertainment and crowd getters: Kevin, did you ever think of putting a demo with one of your horses together with music?? Even a two-minute thing?
Maybe some of the Kiger "groups" could do something, like a drill team pattern with some nice Spanish music.....??
Even at the shows, we can put all the breeds together in thier respective stall areas, so they can be decorated and promoted.
I think the first thing to do is get out a survey to find out participation and interest in what areas in order to better plan a show.
I will also suggest that the show the Ibero Society puts on not be limited to members for breed specific classes. I think this will better the particiaption also, but members should recieve a discount for sure.
Can you tell I am especially excited about this?!
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Post by stormyranch on Feb 20, 2008 9:21:02 GMT -5
Michelle, A Couple of years ago at National Wild Horse and Burro show kevin did do a demo with music. It was a class for expotitions. He did western dressage and I didn't tell him what the song was. I told him to just go out and feel the music and do his thing; two tracking at the walk trot and canter, slow canter and lots of surpentines. The music I picked for him (really for Dino) was Bad to the bone! By George Theurogood.
It was really pretty cool
Lisa
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Post by DianneC on Feb 20, 2008 12:09:09 GMT -5
I can see that having some regional shows would be good. People can cut their teeth on what it takes without having to travel so far. Local people will see Kigers that are close enough to go visit afterwards etc. And we can have volunteers from other areas helping with planning, financial support or giving advice. We have people in this group that love to show and have done a lot of it. Maybe we can start a thread with pointers. How to get your horse ready, what it takes logistically. How volunteers can help from home too. There is a ton of stuff to do.
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Post by nrly on Feb 20, 2008 13:18:46 GMT -5
when this gets up and running i have one suggestion, can we rotate where it will be held every other year. We have a big show facility here in Scottsdale It would be nice to show all these QT owners what this wonderful breed can do and the draw it can bring in. (West World) where right now the Arabian Horse Show is being held, and the Quarter Horse show also. Just a thought.
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