Post by Michelle Clarke on Jan 28, 2008 9:36:40 GMT -5
Brought this over from another list, thought it might be of interest...seems that even the "mother" country has issues to. This only applies to the PRE's, but it is very interesting that even the main stud book over in Europe can't keep things going well.
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1. The Foundation has ceased any new "work" to ANCCE and will not submit anything new for now to Spain. Anything already submitted will be followed through with by The Foundation and ANCCE. They will keep that door open always.
2. ANCCE is having some real difficulties with the stud book. They have not even printed any cartas from Spanish breeders from last year. Over 4,000 are waiting to be printed. Easy that many waiting to be processed. These are new applications from mostly Spanish breeders. Most of them cannot even show their un-carta yearlings in shows this year in Spain. It will also greatly affect sales there. It will be a long time before they could or would be able to look at any problem submissions from previous years. It is chaos.
3. It can never go back to the Cria since when Spain joined the European Union, studbooks have to be managed by a "national" breeder's association. Only ANCCE qualified for national last year. There may be 3 new national Spanish associations that can apply for managing the stud book this year.
4. The Foundation, in it's wisdom and dedication, decided that inscriptions, revisions, farm codigos, and cover reports cannot continue to wait indefinately until Spain works their internal issues out. Breeding and foaling and ownership changes will go on with time and a tremendous back log would build up, get lost, get messed up and become unwieldy and most likely not get resolved and organized for years.
5. Their answer was to form their own worldwide Pure Spanish Horse Registry. Other foreign countries have already expressed their eagerness to join. Their computer program to process everything is in place and starts immediately.
6. The Registry board will consist of the Foundation president, a Registrar and an elected breeder. Several ex-Cria gentlemen have eagarly volunteered to guide the process and paperwork and do revisions exactly as it was previously done by the Cria. A passport will be issued. They are guessing it should only take 2-3 weeks for total completion to process inscriptions if all paperwork is correct. DNA will be done by UC Davis and by pulling hair. Shipped semen by revised (does not have to be qualified) stallions will be allowed. Revision will take place with a ficha, measurements and scoring of each body area. Revision should be available in many more locations and more opportunities. Spanish cria will perform the revisions.
7. All (S) horses that are pure Spanish are welcome to be registered and receive a carta if DNA and paperwork are correct. Inscription and revision can be done at the same time. If they pass revision, their carta will receive a stamp stating revised/approved with broken lineage. This donates that their sire and dam, although pure Spanish, were not revised and approved P.R.E.s
8. Horses passing revision that are out of revised and approved P.R.E.'s will receive a stamp that says revised/approved with unbroken lineage. This will be the ONLY difference between the 2 and only a clerical way to keep track of the parentage classification difference in the event that Spain ever welcomes the US back in their studbook. It will also make it very easy to process these horses if Spain "opens" their stud book even for only a year for horses from unrevised parents.
9. Once (S) horses have a carta (and are revised if over 4 years old), all will be welcome to show in performance AND morophological classes under a Spanish judge. Judges will not know any differences between the horses as P.R.E. and (S) will all have the same paperwork and cartas. ONLY the approval stamp is different.
10. Any problem P.R.E. that had submitted paperwork over the years and never recieved any documentation back from Spain, can get the Foundation carta for FREE. You will need to contact the office, submit copies of everything you had submitted to Spain and bloodwork. You may make a donation for staff time to complete the carta if you feel like it.
11. Fees for all services on new applications are very reasonable and even more so if you are a Foundation member.
12. The Foundation will strive to keep all avenues to Spain open at all times. The Foundations' registry wil be run just like the Cria ran the studbook. If ever it reaches a time that they can work together again in an efficient manner, the Foundation will continue to keep that path open to Spain. From now on, the US will have its' own P.R.E. registry with strict evaluations and a book of merits (now not working in Spain since the Cria no longer has the stud book). Halter classes will be run in the Spanish manner under Spanish judges. The Foundation's stud book will be open to all pure Spanish horses worldwide.
This is a truly wonderful and tremendous opportunity for everyone with a pure Spanish horse. The Foundation is dedicated and passionate about the P.R.E and the horse ALWAYS comes first. It will be organized, efficient and a benefit to breeders and owners. Shows will be properly run with wonderful exhibitions, judging according to the Spanish rules and evaluations, and approved breeding stock will have to go through an in depth measurement and scoring system.
Anyone else at the Foundation meeting that sees that I got something wrong as there was lots of information, please feel free to correct me and add anything I may have forgotten. I am really just killing time at the airport LOL
What an exciting and marvelous opportunity this is for all pure Spanish horse enthusiasts and the start of a new page in this horse's history.
Please check the Foundation's website for updated information and forms.
______________________
1. The Foundation has ceased any new "work" to ANCCE and will not submit anything new for now to Spain. Anything already submitted will be followed through with by The Foundation and ANCCE. They will keep that door open always.
2. ANCCE is having some real difficulties with the stud book. They have not even printed any cartas from Spanish breeders from last year. Over 4,000 are waiting to be printed. Easy that many waiting to be processed. These are new applications from mostly Spanish breeders. Most of them cannot even show their un-carta yearlings in shows this year in Spain. It will also greatly affect sales there. It will be a long time before they could or would be able to look at any problem submissions from previous years. It is chaos.
3. It can never go back to the Cria since when Spain joined the European Union, studbooks have to be managed by a "national" breeder's association. Only ANCCE qualified for national last year. There may be 3 new national Spanish associations that can apply for managing the stud book this year.
4. The Foundation, in it's wisdom and dedication, decided that inscriptions, revisions, farm codigos, and cover reports cannot continue to wait indefinately until Spain works their internal issues out. Breeding and foaling and ownership changes will go on with time and a tremendous back log would build up, get lost, get messed up and become unwieldy and most likely not get resolved and organized for years.
5. Their answer was to form their own worldwide Pure Spanish Horse Registry. Other foreign countries have already expressed their eagerness to join. Their computer program to process everything is in place and starts immediately.
6. The Registry board will consist of the Foundation president, a Registrar and an elected breeder. Several ex-Cria gentlemen have eagarly volunteered to guide the process and paperwork and do revisions exactly as it was previously done by the Cria. A passport will be issued. They are guessing it should only take 2-3 weeks for total completion to process inscriptions if all paperwork is correct. DNA will be done by UC Davis and by pulling hair. Shipped semen by revised (does not have to be qualified) stallions will be allowed. Revision will take place with a ficha, measurements and scoring of each body area. Revision should be available in many more locations and more opportunities. Spanish cria will perform the revisions.
7. All (S) horses that are pure Spanish are welcome to be registered and receive a carta if DNA and paperwork are correct. Inscription and revision can be done at the same time. If they pass revision, their carta will receive a stamp stating revised/approved with broken lineage. This donates that their sire and dam, although pure Spanish, were not revised and approved P.R.E.s
8. Horses passing revision that are out of revised and approved P.R.E.'s will receive a stamp that says revised/approved with unbroken lineage. This will be the ONLY difference between the 2 and only a clerical way to keep track of the parentage classification difference in the event that Spain ever welcomes the US back in their studbook. It will also make it very easy to process these horses if Spain "opens" their stud book even for only a year for horses from unrevised parents.
9. Once (S) horses have a carta (and are revised if over 4 years old), all will be welcome to show in performance AND morophological classes under a Spanish judge. Judges will not know any differences between the horses as P.R.E. and (S) will all have the same paperwork and cartas. ONLY the approval stamp is different.
10. Any problem P.R.E. that had submitted paperwork over the years and never recieved any documentation back from Spain, can get the Foundation carta for FREE. You will need to contact the office, submit copies of everything you had submitted to Spain and bloodwork. You may make a donation for staff time to complete the carta if you feel like it.
11. Fees for all services on new applications are very reasonable and even more so if you are a Foundation member.
12. The Foundation will strive to keep all avenues to Spain open at all times. The Foundations' registry wil be run just like the Cria ran the studbook. If ever it reaches a time that they can work together again in an efficient manner, the Foundation will continue to keep that path open to Spain. From now on, the US will have its' own P.R.E. registry with strict evaluations and a book of merits (now not working in Spain since the Cria no longer has the stud book). Halter classes will be run in the Spanish manner under Spanish judges. The Foundation's stud book will be open to all pure Spanish horses worldwide.
This is a truly wonderful and tremendous opportunity for everyone with a pure Spanish horse. The Foundation is dedicated and passionate about the P.R.E and the horse ALWAYS comes first. It will be organized, efficient and a benefit to breeders and owners. Shows will be properly run with wonderful exhibitions, judging according to the Spanish rules and evaluations, and approved breeding stock will have to go through an in depth measurement and scoring system.
Anyone else at the Foundation meeting that sees that I got something wrong as there was lots of information, please feel free to correct me and add anything I may have forgotten. I am really just killing time at the airport LOL
What an exciting and marvelous opportunity this is for all pure Spanish horse enthusiasts and the start of a new page in this horse's history.
Please check the Foundation's website for updated information and forms.