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Post by angelsdream on Dec 12, 2008 22:26:53 GMT -5
I saw this rescue website for 3 kiger's and other horses in need. There's one on there that said they only have until the next truck load until he will have to be gone. They look like they've not had anything done with them. web.mac.com/camelotfarm/CBER/Feedlot_1.html |
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Post by kimk on Dec 13, 2008 11:26:32 GMT -5
Seems to me they are asking an awful lot for a rescue.... if they are truly only wanting to save a life. CBER doesn't exactly have the best reputation around here.... they are located in eastern WA.
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Post by Michelle Clarke on Dec 13, 2008 12:46:03 GMT -5
Kim, thanks for posting that. I was wondering if they were even a real non-for profit organization. Seems to me that since the horses are still in the care of the KB, then they have no expense but to purchase the horses themselves. Most rescues around here, the average adoption price is $100 - $200 - if being ridden maybe 400-500...and those have had good care, deworming, vet checks and farrier work.
I would be willing to take on one, but the whole thing seems shady...
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Post by DianneC on Dec 13, 2008 17:35:56 GMT -5
It said too that the guy who shipped the horses to Canada for slaughter had had an accident and wasn't going to be shipping soon. I think the real tragedy is that no one did anything with these horses and now even their history is lost. Perhaps they were some of the ones sold for a $1 last year, but whatever. Obidiah looks like a really nice guy.
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Post by desperatehorsewife on Dec 13, 2008 19:26:00 GMT -5
Here's the deal with CBER...they are not a rescue no matter what they like to say. They're brokers, or the middle man. If a horse is on Chuck's lot, they photograph it, catalog it, then let it go unless someone pays them the 'adoption' fee. They do not pull the horse off the feedlot...they do not prevent it from going to slaughter unless someone pays them. Chuck can be a nasty guy, too. The BLM called and he wouldn't allow them onto his property to see if the horses were even branded. I told Ang that she needed to get a warrant. She was about to when CBER let Tara at Burns know that these were not branded mustangs and that there was no documentation as to their actual breeding. Tara told them to take the word mustang off their advertising unless it has a brand  There were several emails that went out from the Burns office regarding these two horses. If y'all aren't on the mailing list, you should sign up. They occasionally will let folks know when there's a horse in need. |
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Post by Michelle Clarke on Dec 13, 2008 19:59:15 GMT -5
Well, too bad that the animals suffer in the end as usual. I left some mares off this year, sold a few and only plan on breeding 2-3 next season unless the economy takes a HUGE turn between now and then. I will be breeding for my herd, not for sales horses. I have some other colts that are up and coming plus one that I am breeding for, so Desi will be gelded next month too. I am also adding some stricker culling rules into my program as far as mares and what they produce...
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Post by angelsdream on Dec 14, 2008 1:32:03 GMT -5
Well whether CBER is lagit, shady, etc, there's still horses in need and but I agree, those prices aren't rescue/adoption prices but sad for those horses. It's obvious they've not had anything done with them and from those pictures, it looks like they're not getting positive help there either. Maybe they'll find a good home, if they weren't so far away, Id help out.  |
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Post by desperatehorsewife on Dec 14, 2008 13:28:42 GMT -5
Looks like the prices have come down. The original email I received stated they were pricing them at $1000, which isn't abnormal for this place.
Yes, they are still horses in need...but I'd be more willing to pick up the horses from CL before they end up in the lot than to pay CBER for marketing Chuck's horses.
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Post by mystickiger on Dec 14, 2008 22:08:33 GMT -5
This thread has haunted me for 2 days! Yes, they most definitely are horses in need! How sad that the once "rare", prized Kiger Mustang now shows up on Internet land at a kill buyer.
While these horses may have been horses offered for $1 last year as Dianne pointed out, they very likely could also be among the many "dressage prospect", "family horse","endurance horse", and the list of unproven goes on that the Kiger Mustang has endured do to over-breeding unprovenbloodlines over the course of several years. Just because a horse comes from bloodlines that have had a saddle on their back and lightly ridden does not make them from proven bloodlines! This is particularily true "after the fact" with animals that have already been breeding then put under saddle. Saddle work, trainablilty, disposition, suitability, etc. always comer first in other breeds. To succeed, the same must hold true for Kigers.
Please, if you are in a position to help these poor innocent horses, do so! I wish I were closer or wealthier. The one they call Blitzen is the spitin' image of my Mystic, just terrified!
If these three horses are to become an INTERNET sacrifice, rest assured others have gone before them!! Please stop breeding for looks and color. Start breeding for bloodlines/usability or this breed is doomed!
Karen
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Post by DianneC on Dec 15, 2008 1:15:28 GMT -5
Can you name some bloodlines that you would approve to breed if there was a market? With only one or two generations to judge by is that enough to make a proven bloodline?
It looks like the rescue price is around $400-500 - which may be the slaughter value and then a month of quarantine at $300 plus incidentals. I think that rescue organizations must be having a difficult time with the market so poor.
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Post by Michelle Clarke on Dec 15, 2008 8:44:47 GMT -5
Diane, I think that is a great point to visit - what makes a bloodline or horse proven? I have started a new thread on it in the training section....would be interested to hear everyones' input.
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Post by stormyranch on Dec 18, 2008 17:28:53 GMT -5
Kevin, please pass the word in the Kiger community Thanks,This is Aleta Pahl, I was the original one who contacted AmyJo about the Kiger horses a few weeks ago. And the 2 boys did get adopted thankfully so. But I am contacting you now because there are now 2 more Kiger horses at the same feedlot. This time it is 2 fillies and only 2 years old. They are barely halter broke. We were told their parents were wild. I am also wondering if it is the same place that dumped Jedediah and Obadiah before but I do not know. We only have until Friday and I have no offerings of help this time. There are some people that feel the funds needed are just too high. I understand that, but I cannot turn my back on these innocent fillies. Their adoption fees are a little lower than the two geldings were. Here are a couple photos of Blitzen and Vixen.. (we gave them Christmas reindeer names) This is Blitzen   Blitzen ~ adoption fee $375 And Vixen, who has a gorgeous long mane and tail..   Vixen ~ adoption fee $400 Please get back to me ASAP as I network tonight all night to try to save them. One more thing for potential adopters to know: any rescued horse has to go thru a quarantine of at least 3 weeks to insure no virus was picked up at the lot... and there is a boarding fee for that time of $300. Thank you for any help or suggestions. The website for Columbia Basin is web.mac.com/camelotfarm/CBER/Feedlot_1.htmlAleta Pahl Ramona Bishop BLM Wild Horse and Burro Program Adopter Outreach and Compliance Burns District Office Hines, OR 97738 541-573-4439 Ramona_Bishop@blm.gov
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Post by waterbearer on Dec 18, 2008 19:33:40 GMT -5
CBER is a dealer. Goggle "CBER" and "horses." Or do a search on Fugly's site, or COTH.
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Post by ctxkiger on Jan 1, 2009 14:09:40 GMT -5
JUST MY TWO CENTS BUT I FIND IT INTERESTING ALL THE TALK ABOUT BREEDING FOR "PROVEN" BLOOD LINES. AS FAR AS I CAN TELL THERE IS NO SUCH THING WITH THE "KIGER BREED". ITS STILL A NEW BREED REGARDLESS OF WHAT PEOPLE WISH TO BELIEVE. WHOS STANDARDS DOES A KIGER HAVE TO MEET TO BE PROVEN? THE HORSE SHOULD PROVE ITSELF BOTH IN THE ARENA SO TO SPEAK AND BY WHAT IT PRODUCES. WHAT THE HORSE PRODUCES IS OF MORE VALUE THAN WHAT IT CAN DO IN THE ARENA OR ON THE TRACK.
Please stop breeding for looks and color. Start breeding for bloodlines/usability or this breed is doomed!
Karen
I KNOW THIS IS OFF TRACK AND HAS BEEN DISCUSSED IN OTHER FORUMS. I JUST HAD TO THROW MY TWO CENTS OUT THERE AFTER READING AN ABOVE POST. SECOND ISSUE IS THAT THE MARKET WOULDN'T BE FLOODED WITH HORSES IF THE US MEAT PACKERS WERE STILL OPEN AND I KNOW IM GOING TO BE HATED FOR STATING THAT FACT.
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Post by JoanMRK on Jan 1, 2009 15:39:02 GMT -5
I KNOW THIS IS OFF TRACK AND HAS BEEN DISCUSSED IN OTHER FORUMS. I JUST HAD TO THROW MY TWO CENTS OUT THERE AFTER READING AN ABOVE POST. SECOND ISSUE IS THAT THE MARKET WOULDN'T BE FLOODED WITH HORSES IF THE US MEAT PACKERS WERE STILL OPEN AND I KNOW IM GOING TO BE HATED FOR STATING THAT FACT.
No, not hated at all... I happen to agree with you, and I'm sure a few others on this board agree. It is a very sad thing, but it makes good use out of an animal that cannot be taken care of any further, or is just plain crazy (due to humans usually). Raising other animals such as cattle and sheep can teach you that meat packers are quite a useful thing when it gets down to it. Just my two cents...
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