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Post by dlsunick on May 30, 2012 10:47:16 GMT -5
I have bought my first horse and long story short got her in Jan and earlier this month found BLM brand under her winter coat. Found man who says she looks like a mare he bought from a 1999 gather in OR for her rare coloring to be in his breeding program he had 3 or 4 reasons as to why he sold her but gave no indication of when or where and when he found out I bought her in the kill pen on a livestock sales pavilion I never heard from him again. This mare is a mystery in more ways than 1. Her BLM brand indicates she is 16 and was gathered Aug 99 sold Sep 99 Titled 2000 Brand describes her as "other color" having "no white" but in January she looked an odd orange color on her ears, mane and tail but has shed to white with black flecks on the base of her legs and reddish in her feathered fetlocks and tail. She has pink and black skin. I have posted on boards trying to find out her breed so I can get the appropriate help with regard to training and care but I haven't received what would be an educated opinion. Research on her coloring led me to something called "claybank" and several responses on the Eugene craigslist add requested ID help said to contact a Kiger organization. The vet, farrier and majority of trainers I have had evaluate agree that she is something incredible in the way of intelligence, intuitiveness, sensitivity and health but this is my first horse and I am feeling overwhelmed more often than not. My biggest concern is the method/trainer that is best for her breed and background. Any suggestions as to where to go from here would be greatly appreciated. The photo from January is attached. Thank you from both of us.  |
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Post by Michelle Clarke on May 30, 2012 12:34:55 GMT -5
Welcome to the board...do you have her freezebrand number? I have the '99 catalog. You can also contact Patti Wilson at the Burns BLM facility and she have the info on her. Hope we can help - nice looking mare! Congrats on saving her!
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Post by Michelle Clarke on May 30, 2012 12:42:13 GMT -5
Quick look in the catalog shows a 1996 Dun mare, no white tag #2269 (tag number is the last four digits of their freezemark I believe). She does not appear in the photos light enough to grey out but you never know. There was another mare with very small amount on her back left foot, number 2260. Hope you can post her freezemark, that will help!
She could have also been on the internet adoption, so would not be in the catalog - did they have those back then?!
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Post by kigercat on May 30, 2012 16:00:19 GMT -5
the 99 Kiger adoption was held in Oct...I remember cause it was the first one I went to...I think middle of the month or towards the later part.
You can call any BLM office and with the freezemark they can tell where gathered, age when gathered, and usually where/when adopted out. If she doesn't have a title (which should have the HMA) on it they can verify that she was titled and when and send out a letter stating she is a titled horse.
The Oregon BLM office number is (541) 573-4489 and I think both Patti or Ramona could help you out.
I rescued a BLM mare off a feedlot in WA back in 2009 and all we had was a freezemark. From that I learned she had been gathered at 2 yrs old, but not adopted out till she was 13, she was 25 yrs old (then...28 now and going strong), and was from Nevada (can't remember the HMA...somthing Airforce base I think). The feedlot didn't have a title and they were able to send me a leter from the BLM stating the basics of gather HMA etc and the date she had been titled.
I don't recall any older horses that appeared grey or looked like they were going grey. But there was a weanling filly that ol Bob got that was very light dun in appearance that did grey out...but I don't think this is her. When he passed she left her to his care taker. She was the filly that went for like $28K and was mostly a pet.
Pink and black skin - dependng on the size of each and pattern almost sounds like a pinto/paint that greyed out? Pink under original white areas and darker skin under what was colored hair.
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Post by kigercat on May 30, 2012 16:45:09 GMT -5
OH by the way...I know the auction/feedlot you got her from. am in that general area. I have a wild one I adopted back in Oct and have just gotten her first trim done, with sedation. Am slowly gaining the backs but it is very slow going. I do know of a couple trainers in my area that do alot vie mustangs and I could point you in their direction if interested.
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Post by dlsunick on May 30, 2012 18:28:19 GMT -5
This is what I received from my inquiry to BLM
Freezemark 96012005
Signalment key HF1AAAADZ (Horse, Female, 1 face whorl, A right fore no white, A right hind no white, A left fore no white, A left hind no white, D snip, Z OTHER color)
She was captured on 08/24/1999, out of the Beatys Butte Oregon (OR0002) Herd Management Area.
She was originally adopted out to an individual in COTTAGE GROVE, OR on 9/25/99.
She was then titled on 10/11/2000.
We do not reissue titles. The original adopter would have received that paperwork.
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Post by dlsunick on May 30, 2012 18:36:11 GMT -5
Kigercat, I feel your pain in the farrier department. Thank goodness for mine! She has had the front trimmed twice since I got her in Jan...the backs were a different story and we tried sedation as well but she fought through it and we called it off. I am able to point at all four and she willing puts the front 2 in my hand by the backs she is still just thingying her toe and I pick them out from the ground right now. Farrier says I am lucky as she has feet of a 10 on a 1-10 scale and doesn't need shoes. I would appreciate the trainer info as she is so intelligent and willing I don't want to mess thing whole thing up being a beginner! Oh and heres the brand. It shows up like it was written in Sharpie now that the sun is on it but at the time we shaved it while she was sedated for her dental float to get a better look. This is what I meant pink and black skin. i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p601/dlsunick/DSC_0011.jpg |
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Post by dlsunick on May 30, 2012 18:38:21 GMT -5
Man named Greg answered a "Do you know this mare?" ad on Eugene craigslist and said she looks like one he bought but as I said in my original post we never talked in person and he didn't verify freeze number or seem too interested.
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Post by stormyranch on May 30, 2012 22:09:56 GMT -5
FYI. Kevin and I have started using Mare Magic. It is dried Rasberry leaves and after feeding it for a week the horses have gotten sooo calm you can pick up their feet and trim them.
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Post by kigercat on May 31, 2012 12:48:47 GMT -5
Are you wanting to send her out for some training or just get in contact with someone for pointers/advise or just an on-site training session? Know of a couple of the TIP trainers that generally get the older mustangs here in WA. One Bellingham one Maple Valley I think.
Sounds like you are making progress. It can seem like an uphill battle (esp if there is something driving the behavior you have no knowledge of).
Gaining the trust is the biggest, and sounds like you are doing that. YOu have made a baby step in that you can pick them out now, just not handle the leg to pick them up.
What I have been doing with mine is you just start working from the top down. Chika is most comfortable when she has the constant contact. At first when I would pet her I could not lift the hand at the end of the stroke had to keep contact and rub back ....maybe she just like the massage qualitys that type of petting gave =). I would always start where she was comfortable and work towards the uncomfortable areas. Going just to the point where she would get really worried then pull back to the comfort area back to the worried area until she was able to relax and call it good at that point. Each time I would try to get a little more real estate =).
For Chika's legs once she was comfortable with her butt being handled I would just keep the rubbing motion and drift down the leg. She never offered to pick it up or kick. When I could get to the hock with her still being relaxed my sister and I used a soft cotton rope.
Picture a big U on the ground you get the desired foot to step in the middle then the person holds the rope and uses that to pick up the foot. Chika spent a lot of enregy trying to kick it off...never tried to kick us just get the rope off her foot. Once she stopped kicking and held the foot you release the tension so they can put the foot back down. I use a verbal cue of Foot and then pick it up again. Repeat as needed till the light bulb goes on. Chika did a lot better on the second foot than the first once she figured out that it wasn't going to kill her.
I only did the rope thing 1 time before trying to pick up the backs. Her one side she picked it up like she'd been doing it all her life. her bad side there was still much trying to shake free. And then she sat on me LOL Went to the front and picked that up a few times, then back to the hind and she picked it up very nicely 2 times.
We did attempt to trim first without sedation but she just wasn't ready yet on those hinds...and rather take a chance she got worked up doing the fronts to the point the sedation wouldn't work we just sedated for all 4 this time.
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Post by mustangdara on May 31, 2012 22:18:16 GMT -5
dlsunick- where are you located?
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Post by dlsunick on Jun 1, 2012 1:11:18 GMT -5
Enumclaw Washington
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Post by DianneC on Jun 2, 2012 11:41:10 GMT -5
Kim Kellogg is in Enumclaw. Great person for you to get to know. She's gentled a lot of horses and I'd trust her with any of mine.
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Post by dlsunick on Jun 6, 2012 14:22:08 GMT -5
Thanks Dianne but Kim has too many horses right now and is sending hers out for training. Do you have any other referrals?
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Post by lilnagy on Jun 19, 2012 23:03:00 GMT -5
I know Greg Schultz in Cottage Grove; he took a mustang for me when I was in over my head. He has lots of them, from a variety of herds, loves to gentle them, don't think he does much saddle training. Cremelos and perlinos were his favorites. I would encourage you to try contacting him again.
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