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Post by angelsdream on Dec 27, 2008 12:22:17 GMT -5
I read an article last night in The Horse magazine where they have cloned the famous barrel horse "Scamp". The clone's name is Clayton, he's a 2 year old stud colt that is up for stud now in Texas for $4,000. Scamp won 10 world titles in barrel racing and was a gelding. So now they have a exact copy of Scamp and a stud. I had watched a cloning episode on RFDTV about a month ago where they had several cloned horses on the ground and several years old.
Just thought I'd post, I thought it was very intersting.
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Post by desperatehorsewife on Dec 27, 2008 14:32:10 GMT -5
Personally, I find it horribly shocking and I'm quite disappointed we're dealing with it.
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Post by canadiankigers on Dec 27, 2008 14:35:05 GMT -5
DHW:
I have to agree with you. I personally do not agree with cloning and as I have stated before the CKMR will NEVER except, acknowledge, submit or tolerate cloning in any way shape or form!
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Post by kigerfan on Dec 27, 2008 14:36:43 GMT -5
It's very strange. I've heard that the cloned horses are not really exact duplicates. The other thing is...... Shouldn't this 'horse' have to prove himself just like every other horse?
I don't really know what to think about the whole cloning thing. Just doesn't seem natural to me.
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Post by fantasykiger on Dec 29, 2008 17:09:54 GMT -5
I am not a big fan of cloning, I to believe that Clayton should have to run a barrel pattern before I fork out a dollar. Then again I think they are waiting to see if his prodigy can is the proof in the pudding so to speak. It takes to long from the time a mare is bred to the time you get results to see if your horse is a winner. In a business sense you need to get some foals on the ground now not wait until your stallion is trained and won some dollars himself, try and capitalize on the cloing factor to begin with. When your running a business making desicions based on the all mighty dollar (why else would you clone) consideration of overpopulation and basic horse welfare are not one of your primary concerns. If the horses were not in demand no one would pay the $4000, but you know soemone is looking for that next big money winner. Maybe this clone with give them the winning edge, it's a gamble like any race. Personally, cloning is very wrong on so many levels.
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Post by kigerfan on Dec 29, 2008 17:24:09 GMT -5
How would one register a clone? It doesn't have a Sire, nor a Dam. In my mind.. it's mother is science and it's father is greed. I understand the desire to carry on the genes of a champion, but wouldn't it be better just to collect semen, geld the animal and store the semen until the animal proves itself? This new 'animal' is for all intents and purposes just a live sperm bank. It has had no trials to prove that it is strong in heart, body and mind? Also.... What guarantees would anyone have that this clone could/would produce what the original horse could/would have. What ramifications are involved in breeding a clone, what inerrant weaknesses are caused by the cloning process?
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Post by canadiankigers on Dec 29, 2008 17:56:28 GMT -5
AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by angelsdream on Dec 30, 2008 21:17:35 GMT -5
I'd be very interested to see if the clone had the same skill's as the original....if he was as athletic and excelled on barrels also... I'll keep an eye on this and keep you guys updated. I've always been a big science person and all this is interesting to me. Not that I believe in it - but it just amazes me that we've come this far and to this. All from DNA. Makes you think what else they've cloned that we dont know about/  ? |
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Post by desperatehorsewife on Dec 31, 2008 12:17:29 GMT -5
They're already cloning cattle and the FDA said you don't even need to be told you're eating cloned meat  Cloning a horse for competition is just plain wrong and unethical to my way of thinking. |
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Post by kigerfan on Dec 31, 2008 14:21:12 GMT -5
There's another good question. Eating cloned meat. What exposures are we being subjected to without our knowledge. What affects would cloned meat have on our systems that natural meat would not? I think that they should be required to tell us if it is meat from a cloned animal.
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Post by desperatehorsewife on Dec 31, 2008 19:08:44 GMT -5
Oh, but then people would be afraid to buy it, and we mustn't have that!  The people should eat what we tell them is safe... |
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Post by canadiankigers on Dec 31, 2008 20:33:33 GMT -5
Now that's food for thought!!!!
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Post by kigerfan on Dec 31, 2008 20:43:39 GMT -5
oy bad pun, baaaaaaaad pun
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Post by fantasykiger on Jan 3, 2009 14:41:56 GMT -5
....and Soylent Green is people  We have taken to raising all our own meat products. I feel lucky to be able to have a farm. |
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Post by JoanMRK on Jan 3, 2009 16:45:25 GMT -5
Me too Tiffany. We raise our own meat too and are very blessed to be able to do so... We love knowing what is in them and what is not!
What is "Soylent Green?" I've never heard of that.
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The people should eat what we tell them is safe...
We have taken to raising all our own meat products. I feel lucky to be able to have a farm.
