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Post by fantasykiger on Dec 22, 2007 17:50:48 GMT -5
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Post by nrly on Dec 22, 2007 18:35:05 GMT -5
thank you for the link, I saved it printed it out so I can read it latter.
nola
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Post by lindaf on Dec 22, 2007 18:46:12 GMT -5
I hope this will encourage the Kiger community to work together to promote the outstanding qualities of Kigers whatever their color. They can stand out on their own merit without being hyped.
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Post by fantasykiger on Dec 22, 2007 20:45:37 GMT -5
While I believe in the first part of this statement ...
"We made a wild horse worth fighting for, cheating for, lying for," Littleton says.
I hope that now in the coming new year all Kiger owners and registries can come together on some common ground to make the second part of that statement a thing of the past.
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Post by nrly on Dec 23, 2007 0:22:30 GMT -5
well said Tiffany, and I do believe it will happen and it is being worked on.
nola
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Post by staceyinoregon on Dec 27, 2007 1:03:47 GMT -5
I was so disappointed in this article. As I have said on another site. The author--seemingly she is Forbes' Northwest correspondent--missed an opportunity to talk about one of Oregon's unique treasures and to spotlight the value of the American mustang. Instead she chose to talk about a petty melodrama. It boggles the mind.
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Post by kigerfan on Dec 27, 2007 11:19:05 GMT -5
I agree about the drama. The drama is taking the attention off of a very wonderful breed. Forbes could have done a spread about the breed its self, but I also look at it this way..... If there wasn't any drama going on, probably no article at all would have been published, as drama sells.
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Post by Michelle Clarke on Dec 27, 2007 12:22:01 GMT -5
Nice to have you on Board!
You are right, if it was not for the controversy and the fact that how they spun the conception (and deception) of the breed - greed, lying, cheating...which I don't agree with anyway - there would be no article! I know for a fact that there were plenty of folks that talked to the gal writing it and there were lots of positive stuff too, they just chose this because it is more interesting.
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Post by staceyinoregon on Dec 27, 2007 14:04:07 GMT -5
Michelle
Yep, she contacted me to ask why I was interested in Kigers and why I would pay $7800 for a colt. My answer had nothing to do with Littleton. Never heard of the guy. I fell in love with Kigers while volunteering at a therapeutic riding center. There was a little Kiger mare there that was not only breathtaking but also so genuinely interested in the children we worked with there. I figured there was something special about the breed and started looking into mustangs. Since then I have adopted three BLM mustangs and a burro and worked with a few other mustangs for folks. I love them, they do seem to connect to humans in a very intimate way. They learn quickly and have a funny sense of humor.
I knew would take a look after the next Kiger gather to see if I could find an animal that seemed to share that special aptitude for connection. That little mare had done the PR for me.
I did find two remarkable horses in November and sat outside of their corrals several times over the course of the adoption event. They were very gentle personalities. kind to their corral mates. There is a photo of my little mare actually nursing a little grulla and my noticed my boy being a real gentleman in his corral. He had a regalness and curiousity combined with what seems to be a kind leadership quality that was very compeling. Unfortunately, Mr Pfeiffer also like this guy so we ended up settling the matter for more money than I would have liked--but, alas that is the price of love...
So the author entirely missed the mark and furthermore does not seem to really understand the horse world. I live in a surburban part of a middle class part of town and aside from my $125 mustangs, my $7800 mustang is probably one of the lower priced horses in the neighborhood. There is a 13 hand pinto that was recently purchased for $40,000. An $8000 horse or even a $19,000 filly is a non story in many parts of the horse world--particularly for those members who may be reading Forbes.
Additionally, themarket seems to indicate that whatever PR, Mr Littleton or any other folks have put in pales in comparison to the market development done by other breeds introduced to market in 70s. So the entire premise of the article is an issue hardly worth discussing.
The intellect, beauty and genuine social adeptness of the American mustang--that's the story.
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Post by stlkigers on Dec 27, 2007 22:50:14 GMT -5
Michelle Yep, she contacted me to ask why I was interested in Kigers and why I would pay $7800 for a colt. My answer had nothing to do with Littleton. Never heard of the guy. So the author entirely missed the mark and furthermore does not seem to really understand the horse world. The intellect, beauty and genuine social adeptness of the American mustang--that's the story. Stacey: I have to laugh at you.....in a good way! You were there to get the horses you wanted, with no preconceived notion of who was who or what in the Kiger world....Ah the bliss of a newcomer....Now you see the behind scenes bickering that has gone on in this breed....Don't ever let it bother you girl! I so believe that you elegantly put the true story in your last line....and it is something we would all do well to remember....It is a breathtaking thing to remember when you see these horses at liberty, showing under saddle or just responding to you in a first touch...One that I hope more people in America get to experience and treasure.... Angela |
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Post by kigerfan on Dec 28, 2007 9:13:59 GMT -5
The sad fact of our media of all kinds is that death and drama sells. It is very rare that you see them do an enlightening hopeful type story. They have a moto it seems, if it bleeds it leads. I have found if they can't find death and destruction in their own local areas they will go wherever they need to in order to find it to report on. It's a shame because there is so much genuine good in this world that could be brought to light instead. Lets hope that just seeing the name Kiger Mustang in the Forbes magazine peaks the curiosity of people that up until now have not heard of them. Maybe they will get online and try to find out about them. Those people who do come looking will be much more likely to take a good look at the breed if the bickering and conformation/color etc. disagreements are not the first thing they are met with.
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Post by fantasykiger on Dec 28, 2007 12:33:03 GMT -5
Most likely they will find find the same arguement between the registeries of the found horses. The new dilema which is sure to cause more friction (maybe not) with the refusal of various registries to register the 2007 adopted Kiger Mustangs as they are not of type. On the upside alot more folks willing to band together for the Kigers that were once seperate in their views, even talk of bringing registries together. When it comes to Kiger Mustangs I am not sure whether it is better to be very well educated or to live in total ignorant bliss at times....lol  |
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Post by kigerfan on Dec 28, 2007 13:02:58 GMT -5
I know some registeries have a point system. The less the animal conforms to the ideal for the breed, the less points it gets. So these horses that are from this last auction, I'm guessing many of them would score low in the points system.
I can see why there is so much passion involved and therefore so much strife. I used to breed, train, show, sell German Shepherd Dogs. Mine were good representations of the breed. I got out of it for three reasons. 1. People were producing what I considered malformed dogs 'because they look good in the show ring'. 2. The American Kennel Club would register anything that could prove it had registered parents, it didn't matter if the parents were brother and sister and the pup had an extra nose attached to it's butt, they'd still register it site unseen. 3. The wrong people wanted the dogs for the wrong reasons. It became not worth it to me.
To me, registration papers should also be able to double as identification papers. Pictures of the animal from all sides and top. The animal should be judged by how it stands up to breed standards. If there are three different types of Kigers then have three breed standards, as you surely wouldn't stand a teacup poodle up against a standard poodle breed standard.
If movement is one of the breed standards, then require a short clip of the animal in free movement.
My time, though limited as I'm sure everyone elses is, is available to help with registry issues if needed.
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Post by staceyinoregon on Dec 31, 2007 0:56:49 GMT -5
Angela
You mustn't laugh at me. You are as much a romantic as the next guy.
And not to belabor this Forbes article...BUT the author was at the auction with all of those beautiful horses and adorable weanlings...and she chooses to publish a picture of a frustrated rancher...
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Post by nrly on Dec 31, 2007 21:15:35 GMT -5
Stacey have you ever met Rick? I think and feel he is the Kiger story in a big way, and it was his way of opening eyes to the trouble within the ranks, and correct the wrongs that were done. I respect Rick and am glad he spoke with Forbes, I do not recall another person stepping up to the plate and admitting, and clearing the air. I am new to this breed I have my mare Stormy, and my Stallion Riddle whom I bought both from Rick. and he has always been open and honest with me. I got what he said i would get, my treasure Stormy. I am not getting down on anyone so please don't think I am I am just saying how I feel, and how Rick has dealt with me. open and honest.
nola
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