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Post by fantasykiger on Aug 9, 2011 13:09:36 GMT -5
I don't like what I see when I lunge Fantasy, but I am not exactly sure how to go about making corrections. Initially my goal was just to get her going around turning on forehand and hindquarters with and without a lunge line. But on the line her shoulder is in her head is out, I have worked on getting her hind quarters under herself but she is counterbending at the lope and seems to have a hard time remaining comfortable in the lope. At first I felt she was out of shape, I have been riding her more and practicing her trot more hoping the lope would come, so what more can I do? I have inserted a video ..the best I could do with camera, lungeline and whip inhand ;D www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYQCH8cw2nI |
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Post by gotkiger on Aug 9, 2011 15:57:56 GMT -5
From what my understanking is you are trying to get her to bend in towards you rather than away from you. I had a trainer help me with Dollie and disengaging her hip and shoulder. She went from bending out and having her hind end closer to me to bending in and having her nose in towards me and her hind end further away with a nice bend. It also go her to stop dragging me all over the place and she seemed more balanced. I hope that helped if not sorry.
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Post by stlkigers on Aug 9, 2011 19:14:22 GMT -5
Tiffany:
Can't go to youtube at work....is she just using her front end to pull her hind end along and really not have her hindquarters engaged???
Angela
PS: Hopefully someone can get on and view youtube and help you.......
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Post by fantasykiger on Aug 9, 2011 21:28:07 GMT -5
When I ride her alot of time I feel like the is no bend in her rib cage that makes circles difficult. Though she can make a turn around a barrel tighter then my other horses, besides the rubber Arab. My thinking was if I could get her comfortable at the end of lunge line from the ground moving back up into the saddle and asking for a nice bend would be all the more easy to accomplish.
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Post by fantasykiger on Aug 9, 2011 21:35:02 GMT -5
 gotkiger everything helps, so don't be worried about offering up advice. I haven't tried asking for her to move her hindquarters away while asking for forward motion, to see if that brings her nose in. I have tried bumping her nose with the halter or taping her inside hind leg and it will work for a moment. Then she falls back into looking out and away. Maybe I need to be more persistant, but I am getting dizzy out there spinning in circles...LOL
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Post by mystickiger on Aug 10, 2011 9:47:36 GMT -5
When I ride her alot of time I feel like the is no bend in her rib cage that makes circles difficult. Though she can make a turn around a barrel tighter then my other horses, besides the rubber Arab. My thinking was if I could get her comfortable at the end of lunge line from the ground moving back up into the saddle and asking for a nice bend would be all the more easy to accomplish. You're on the right track here Tiffany. Looking at the video she is tense and tight from the moment you ask her to trot. The head goes up and out with her shoulder dropping in. Consistant lunging with a purpose will help but it will take time to develop correct muscle memory. What you are really looking for is straightness. First off I would put her into a regular halter not a rope halter. Run your lunge line, flat line not rope, through the ring on the near side, up over the poll/crown piece and snap on the off side ring. This allows for more even pressure than a rope halter in my opinion. It is very easy to pull the head around with the rope halter resulting in rubber necking. Think of lunging as you are the top of a triangle. Fantasy's front and back are the base. Stand facing her middle(driveline) with the line arm softly extended towards her poll and your other arm with a whip (for extension of your arm only) extended towards her tail head. This will keep her straight; bent through her ribcage. Ask her to move forward at a walk, using the line to gently and elastically ask her to keep that position. Be sure to keep your whip quiet, only using for forward if needed. Don't nag! Keep reminding her "here", "here" with an elastic give and take. She needs to keep her nose and hind end on that imaginary circle It will be hard for her to hold this frame as her muscle memory will want to drop that shoulder and pop her head out. Just remind, remind, remind. Do this 10 minutes per side daily building to adding the trot. I would not ask for the canter until she is better conditioned to hold the position. While you are doing this work on consistant cadance and focus on you. Eventually add spiraling circles remembering to keep her nose and hind end on that imaginary circle. Hope this makes sense. |
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Post by fantasykiger on Aug 11, 2011 0:34:28 GMT -5
It does make sense and I will work on that. I will certianly start working on building up the muscle memory for her.
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Post by grullagirl on Aug 11, 2011 8:03:32 GMT -5
What first stands out to me is that her head,neck, and shoulders are all facing to the outside. She seems to be more focused on her surroundings than what you are asking her to do. I think lots of hind quarters and sideways would help her to wake up and pay more attention to what your asking. My horse used to always do this and still does occasionally. Does she pull on the lead any while doing this? Also do you think somebody could film you working her so we can see your body language as well? I hope this helps somehow. I would also ask Mrs.Michelle to look at this video to see what she thinks.
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Post by fantasykiger on Aug 11, 2011 10:29:50 GMT -5
She is not pulling on the lead at all, the lead can be very loose, she falls into, what has became a bad habit, at the faster gaits. Which I want to break right now. I am sure it started as a way to avoid focus on me...LOL that now just has her off balance. She could still be avoiding me though by looking away, sometimes those ears of hers will be flat back, to let me know she would rather be trail riding or just plain relaxing in the pasture. Niether one of us likes the thought real exercise.
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Post by Michelle Clarke on Aug 11, 2011 13:55:01 GMT -5
Tiffany...I am actually going to work on putting up a short video for you and starting to build some roundness and how I go about it. There have been some good suggestions in the mean time to work with though! If anyone knows about a stiff horse - it would be Rugers' Girl!!
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Post by fantasykiger on Aug 11, 2011 19:49:16 GMT -5
Thank You very much..that would be very helpful indeed. For Fantasy is indeed stiff..I will continue to share videos of her progress as well.
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Post by mystickiger on Aug 11, 2011 22:11:39 GMT -5
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Post by grullagirl on Aug 12, 2011 15:39:41 GMT -5
Lol i do indeed know about stiffness! Thankfully with rounding exercises he has gotten much better and actually carries himself more up hill in all of his gaits. One of the awesome things about the rounding exercises is that it really lifts there back up. I look forward to the videos.
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Post by fantasykiger on Aug 12, 2011 20:25:21 GMT -5
great website to read over... thanks Karen
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Post by DianneC on Aug 13, 2011 0:57:57 GMT -5
She does seem stiff, I wonder if she's protecting her neck? You could have a chiropractor look at her. The rounding excercises sound wonderful, can't wait to see them.
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gotkiger everything helps, so don't be worried about offering up advice. I haven't tried asking for her to move her hindquarters away while asking for forward motion, to see if that brings her nose in.
